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	<title>Comments on: Calls of urgency from climate scientists</title>
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	<description>Getting to grips with the brave new world of future climate and energy - notes from a Promethean environmentalist</description>
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		<title>By: Steven Earl Salmony</title>
		<link>http://bravenewclimate.com/2008/12/24/calls-of-urgency-from-climate-scientists/#comment-4232</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steven Earl Salmony]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 13:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[QUESTION: Can we share an understanding of the attacks on climate scientists by saying loudly and clearly that their assailants&#039; activities are venal efforts to spread garbage and junk science, based upon nothing more or less than the duplicitous promulgation of ideological idiocy?

 ANSWER:  Are the many hostile efforts toward climate scientists for the sole purpose of shoring-up and building trust in a con game; to support the most colossal pyramid scheme in human history.....a modern version of the ancient Tower of Babel called the Global Political Economy? Only this modern Economic Colossus is not made of stone, but rather built out as a &quot;house of cards&quot;.  All of it is a patently unsustainable, gigantic ruse perpetrated by a tiny minority of outrageous consumers, reckless consolidators and relentless hoarders of wealth and power.

Steven Earl Salmony
AWAREness Campaign on The Human Population
established 2001
http://sustainabilitscience.org/content.html?contentid=1176]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>QUESTION: Can we share an understanding of the attacks on climate scientists by saying loudly and clearly that their assailants&#8217; activities are venal efforts to spread garbage and junk science, based upon nothing more or less than the duplicitous promulgation of ideological idiocy?</p>
<p> ANSWER:  Are the many hostile efforts toward climate scientists for the sole purpose of shoring-up and building trust in a con game; to support the most colossal pyramid scheme in human history&#8230;..a modern version of the ancient Tower of Babel called the Global Political Economy? Only this modern Economic Colossus is not made of stone, but rather built out as a &#8220;house of cards&#8221;.  All of it is a patently unsustainable, gigantic ruse perpetrated by a tiny minority of outrageous consumers, reckless consolidators and relentless hoarders of wealth and power.</p>
<p>Steven Earl Salmony<br />
AWAREness Campaign on The Human Population<br />
established 2001<br />
<a href="http://sustainabilitscience.org/content.html?contentid=1176" rel="nofollow">http://sustainabilitscience.org/content.html?contentid=1176</a></p>
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		<title>By: Hank Roberts</title>
		<link>http://bravenewclimate.com/2008/12/24/calls-of-urgency-from-climate-scientists/#comment-4185</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hank Roberts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 03:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.logicalscience.com/consensus/consensus.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.logicalscience.com/consensus/consensus.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Alexander Ač</title>
		<link>http://bravenewclimate.com/2008/12/24/calls-of-urgency-from-climate-scientists/#comment-4177</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alexander Ač]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 22:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here is one: 

&quot;The effect of greenhouse gases on global warming is, in my opinion, the most important environmental issue facing the world today.&quot; - Veerabhadran Ramanathan - http://www.amacad.org/publications/bulletin/spring2006/12globalwarming.pdf]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is one: </p>
<p>&#8220;The effect of greenhouse gases on global warming is, in my opinion, the most important environmental issue facing the world today.&#8221; &#8211; Veerabhadran Ramanathan &#8211; <a href="http://www.amacad.org/publications/bulletin/spring2006/12globalwarming.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.amacad.org/publications/bulletin/spring2006/12globalwarming.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Hank Roberts</title>
		<link>http://bravenewclimate.com/2008/12/24/calls-of-urgency-from-climate-scientists/#comment-4133</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hank Roberts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 01:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tangentially related:

&quot;... Upon investigation, it appears that in nontrivial evolutionary models the expected behavior is not always in accord with the norms of the standard theory of decision as ordinarily applied. Many classically irrational acts, e.g. betting on the occurrence of one event in the knowledge that the probabilities favor another, can under certain circumstances constitute adaptive behavior.
     One interesting interpretation of this clash is that the criterion of rationality offered by classical decision theory is simply incorrect (or at least incomplete) as it stands, and that evolutionary theory should be called upon to provide a more generally applicable theory of rationality.&quot;
http://www.springerlink.com/content/n1785154342r3415/

&quot;Biologically rational decisions may not be politically possible once investment has occurred.&quot;
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/summary/315/5808/45]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tangentially related:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230; Upon investigation, it appears that in nontrivial evolutionary models the expected behavior is not always in accord with the norms of the standard theory of decision as ordinarily applied. Many classically irrational acts, e.g. betting on the occurrence of one event in the knowledge that the probabilities favor another, can under certain circumstances constitute adaptive behavior.<br />
     One interesting interpretation of this clash is that the criterion of rationality offered by classical decision theory is simply incorrect (or at least incomplete) as it stands, and that evolutionary theory should be called upon to provide a more generally applicable theory of rationality.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.springerlink.com/content/n1785154342r3415/" rel="nofollow">http://www.springerlink.com/content/n1785154342r3415/</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Biologically rational decisions may not be politically possible once investment has occurred.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/summary/315/5808/45" rel="nofollow">http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/summary/315/5808/45</a></p>
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		<title>By: Steven Earl Salmony</title>
		<link>http://bravenewclimate.com/2008/12/24/calls-of-urgency-from-climate-scientists/#comment-4120</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steven Earl Salmony]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 12:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If the next generation does not do better than my &quot;Not So GREAT GREED GRAB Generation&quot; of elders has done to protect Earth from reckless environmental degradation and resource dissipation, then I cannot even imagine what the future will look like for those who are alive 40 years from now. The &quot;pale blue dot&quot; may not be so beautiful a place to inhabit in 2050, I fear.

Our children will do better; but first they will need to understand that the patently unsustainable overproduction, overconsumption and overpopulation activities which their elders so adamantly and relentlessly advocate will have to be forsaken....soon. Accepting human limits and Earth&#039;s limitations, and behaving accordingly, could be a goal worth achieving.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the next generation does not do better than my &#8220;Not So GREAT GREED GRAB Generation&#8221; of elders has done to protect Earth from reckless environmental degradation and resource dissipation, then I cannot even imagine what the future will look like for those who are alive 40 years from now. The &#8220;pale blue dot&#8221; may not be so beautiful a place to inhabit in 2050, I fear.</p>
<p>Our children will do better; but first they will need to understand that the patently unsustainable overproduction, overconsumption and overpopulation activities which their elders so adamantly and relentlessly advocate will have to be forsaken&#8230;.soon. Accepting human limits and Earth&#8217;s limitations, and behaving accordingly, could be a goal worth achieving.</p>
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		<title>By: Hank Roberts</title>
		<link>http://bravenewclimate.com/2008/12/24/calls-of-urgency-from-climate-scientists/#comment-4098</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hank Roberts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 22:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Some people say we can stop at 450ppm, but that&#039;s ludicrous,&quot; he says. &quot;It will be hard, very hard, for us to stop at even 600ppm. And if we carry on doing what we are doing now - very little - we are going to get up to 800 or 900ppm. That&#039;s really a trip.&quot;  -- Broecker, 2008
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/may/24/carbonemissions.climatechange1]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Some people say we can stop at 450ppm, but that&#8217;s ludicrous,&#8221; he says. &#8220;It will be hard, very hard, for us to stop at even 600ppm. And if we carry on doing what we are doing now &#8211; very little &#8211; we are going to get up to 800 or 900ppm. That&#8217;s really a trip.&#8221;  &#8212; Broecker, 2008<br />
<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/may/24/carbonemissions.climatechange1" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/may/24/carbonemissions.climatechange1</a></p>
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		<title>By: Steve Bloom</title>
		<link>http://bravenewclimate.com/2008/12/24/calls-of-urgency-from-climate-scientists/#comment-4093</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Bloom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 20:16:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And note that the prescient Broecker quote is from 1987.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And note that the prescient Broecker quote is from 1987.</p>
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		<title>By: John Mashey</title>
		<link>http://bravenewclimate.com/2008/12/24/calls-of-urgency-from-climate-scientists/#comment-4089</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Mashey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 18:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The climate system is an angry beast and we are poking it with sticks.&quot; - Dr. Wallace Broecker

Although I think it should say &quot;and we&#039;re locked in the cage with it, and every time we poke, the sticks get chewed shorter.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The climate system is an angry beast and we are poking it with sticks.&#8221; &#8211; Dr. Wallace Broecker</p>
<p>Although I think it should say &#8220;and we&#8217;re locked in the cage with it, and every time we poke, the sticks get chewed shorter.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Bloom</title>
		<link>http://bravenewclimate.com/2008/12/24/calls-of-urgency-from-climate-scientists/#comment-4074</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Bloom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 12:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was rather struck by this one from the last few days (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.terradaily.com/reports/Greenland_Glaciers_Losing_Ice_Faster_This_Year_Than_Last_Year_999.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;source&lt;/a&gt;):

&quot;Greenland is deglaciating and actually has been doing so for most of the past half-century.&quot; -- Jason Box (Ohio State)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was rather struck by this one from the last few days (<a href="http://www.terradaily.com/reports/Greenland_Glaciers_Losing_Ice_Faster_This_Year_Than_Last_Year_999.html" rel="nofollow">source</a>):</p>
<p>&#8220;Greenland is deglaciating and actually has been doing so for most of the past half-century.&#8221; &#8212; Jason Box (Ohio State)</p>
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		<title>By: perps</title>
		<link>http://bravenewclimate.com/2008/12/24/calls-of-urgency-from-climate-scientists/#comment-4071</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[perps]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 10:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sobering reading Barry!
Merry Christmas to you all on this excellent blog - I have learned so much - not much of it comfortable. Thanks to you all.
Let&#039;s hope for a Happy New Year and some real action on AGW/CC- as the penny finally drops for the politicians.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sobering reading Barry!<br />
Merry Christmas to you all on this excellent blog &#8211; I have learned so much &#8211; not much of it comfortable. Thanks to you all.<br />
Let&#8217;s hope for a Happy New Year and some real action on AGW/CC- as the penny finally drops for the politicians.</p>
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