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	<title>Comments on: Why is the US ignoring the Integral Fast Reactor?</title>
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		<title>By: Thinking Critically About Science &#62; Brave new power for the world</title>
		<link>http://bravenewclimate.com/2009/06/20/why-is-the-us-ignoring-the-integral-fast-reactor/#comment-42243</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Thinking Critically About Science &#62; Brave new power for the world]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 19:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] is the follow-up post on the IFR by Steve Kirsch. The first can be read here. This is long (loooong), but it really says it all. Steve worked on a tonne of revisions to this [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Bill Mosby</title>
		<link>http://bravenewclimate.com/2009/06/20/why-is-the-us-ignoring-the-integral-fast-reactor/#comment-34488</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill Mosby]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 05:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For what it&#039;s worth at this late date, I think we are ignoring the IFR because our government cancelled it and nobody in the government wants to be seen to be wrong, seen to be reversing an old decision that the new folks know nothing about, or because it hurts the heads of those in power to try to figure out what all these different nuclear technologies mean.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth at this late date, I think we are ignoring the IFR because our government cancelled it and nobody in the government wants to be seen to be wrong, seen to be reversing an old decision that the new folks know nothing about, or because it hurts the heads of those in power to try to figure out what all these different nuclear technologies mean.</p>
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		<title>By: We need a real global plan for carbon mitigation &#171; BraveNewClimate.com</title>
		<link>http://bravenewclimate.com/2009/06/20/why-is-the-us-ignoring-the-integral-fast-reactor/#comment-20068</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[We need a real global plan for carbon mitigation &#171; BraveNewClimate.com]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 13:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Brave new power for the world &#171; BraveNewClimate.com</title>
		<link>http://bravenewclimate.com/2009/06/20/why-is-the-us-ignoring-the-integral-fast-reactor/#comment-18366</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brave new power for the world &#171; BraveNewClimate.com]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Barry Brook</title>
		<link>http://bravenewclimate.com/2009/06/20/why-is-the-us-ignoring-the-integral-fast-reactor/#comment-17979</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Brook]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 23:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Douglas, it hasn&#039;t been laid out explicitly yet on the blog, but I have presented this in some of my recent talks. Needless to say, I&#039;ll do a post on it at some point. There is no perpetual motion magic required -- the supply of fissionable and fertile U and Th is, for all intents and purposes, unlimited.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Douglas, it hasn&#8217;t been laid out explicitly yet on the blog, but I have presented this in some of my recent talks. Needless to say, I&#8217;ll do a post on it at some point. There is no perpetual motion magic required &#8212; the supply of fissionable and fertile U and Th is, for all intents and purposes, unlimited.</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas Wise</title>
		<link>http://bravenewclimate.com/2009/06/20/why-is-the-us-ignoring-the-integral-fast-reactor/#comment-17840</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Douglas Wise]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 10:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tom,

I am replying to your latest comment but it might have been more appropriate to your previous response in which your frustration with progressing the IFR technology in the States was beginning to show.

I was discussing the sustainability of the energy available from nuclear fission with David MacKay this morning.  In his book, he arrives at much lower amount of (1000 year)sustainable energy/person/day than has often been claimed on this site.  However, he did qualify his comments by stating the quantity of uranium reserves he was basing his data on.  He also said that, because of there being no current uranium shortage, the land reserves that could come onstream economically in the future could well be 1000 times greater than the number that his calculations were based on.  I am also not sure that he was taking existing stockpiles of &quot;radioactive waste&quot; into account.  He certainly lamented the fact that, despite the UK sitting on many tonnes of plutonium, its government had recently cut back its contributions to the consortium of nations funding 4th generation fission research, making it unlikely that UK researchers would any longer have the opportunity to work in this area.

This is all a preamble to my request that you provide detailed figures that underpin the sustainability estimates pertaining to IFR technology.  I have to make the terrible confession that I have not read your book and that the answers I seek may already be there.  If so, tell me and I&#039;ll get it.

Unfortunately, some have promoted the IFR as a perpetual motion machine and give the impression that a breeder reactor can produce all the energy we need while simultaneously recreating its supplies with no further inputs]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom,</p>
<p>I am replying to your latest comment but it might have been more appropriate to your previous response in which your frustration with progressing the IFR technology in the States was beginning to show.</p>
<p>I was discussing the sustainability of the energy available from nuclear fission with David MacKay this morning.  In his book, he arrives at much lower amount of (1000 year)sustainable energy/person/day than has often been claimed on this site.  However, he did qualify his comments by stating the quantity of uranium reserves he was basing his data on.  He also said that, because of there being no current uranium shortage, the land reserves that could come onstream economically in the future could well be 1000 times greater than the number that his calculations were based on.  I am also not sure that he was taking existing stockpiles of &#8220;radioactive waste&#8221; into account.  He certainly lamented the fact that, despite the UK sitting on many tonnes of plutonium, its government had recently cut back its contributions to the consortium of nations funding 4th generation fission research, making it unlikely that UK researchers would any longer have the opportunity to work in this area.</p>
<p>This is all a preamble to my request that you provide detailed figures that underpin the sustainability estimates pertaining to IFR technology.  I have to make the terrible confession that I have not read your book and that the answers I seek may already be there.  If so, tell me and I&#8217;ll get it.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, some have promoted the IFR as a perpetual motion machine and give the impression that a breeder reactor can produce all the energy we need while simultaneously recreating its supplies with no further inputs</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Wood</title>
		<link>http://bravenewclimate.com/2009/06/20/why-is-the-us-ignoring-the-integral-fast-reactor/#comment-17835</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter Wood]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The latest version (as of a couple of days ago) of the Waxman-Markey bill now has a section on &quot;Nuclear and other Advanced Technologies&quot;, so it may not be true that the US is ignoring IFR.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The latest version (as of a couple of days ago) of the Waxman-Markey bill now has a section on &#8220;Nuclear and other Advanced Technologies&#8221;, so it may not be true that the US is ignoring IFR.</p>
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		<title>By: Clay Rosson</title>
		<link>http://bravenewclimate.com/2009/06/20/why-is-the-us-ignoring-the-integral-fast-reactor/#comment-17784</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Clay Rosson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Colorado School of Mines has a new Nuclear Engineering Department that is beginning to receive greater funding and increase in students.  University of California system is bankrupt both morally and financially.  I am not sure that I would count on Berkeley to solve our nuclear problems.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Colorado School of Mines has a new Nuclear Engineering Department that is beginning to receive greater funding and increase in students.  University of California system is bankrupt both morally and financially.  I am not sure that I would count on Berkeley to solve our nuclear problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
		<link>http://bravenewclimate.com/2009/06/20/why-is-the-us-ignoring-the-integral-fast-reactor/#comment-17712</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 08:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the link John - I had actually read that article some time ago.

I was involved in a complex project with GE some years ago and visited their R&amp;D facility in Schenectady, NY. What a place. As one entered the building, there were many photographs on a large wall. The top row were all Nobel Prize winners, then those who had received a minimum number of patents (say 50), then a row with fewer patents, etc. The bottom row had a 10 patent minimum. Many of the photos were old as I remember. Seems that GE&#039;s R&amp;D heyday was similar to Bell Labs&#039;.

I strongly agree with the process as you&#039;ve laid it out. The transition of technology from science to engineering is a complicated one that certainly can not be scheduled up until the later stages (D2+) at best. In the right environment and with the right management - I can&#039;t imagine a better place to work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link John &#8211; I had actually read that article some time ago.</p>
<p>I was involved in a complex project with GE some years ago and visited their R&amp;D facility in Schenectady, NY. What a place. As one entered the building, there were many photographs on a large wall. The top row were all Nobel Prize winners, then those who had received a minimum number of patents (say 50), then a row with fewer patents, etc. The bottom row had a 10 patent minimum. Many of the photos were old as I remember. Seems that GE&#8217;s R&amp;D heyday was similar to Bell Labs&#8217;.</p>
<p>I strongly agree with the process as you&#8217;ve laid it out. The transition of technology from science to engineering is a complicated one that certainly can not be scheduled up until the later stages (D2+) at best. In the right environment and with the right management &#8211; I can&#8217;t imagine a better place to work.</p>
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		<title>By: Hank Roberts</title>
		<link>http://bravenewclimate.com/2009/06/20/why-is-the-us-ignoring-the-integral-fast-reactor/#comment-17674</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hank Roberts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 23:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt; Why not ...?

Thorium generally, see the link in the right sidebar, it&#039;s actively discussed.  With some great pictures of a modern Stonehenge (abandoned partly built reactor site)   http://thoriumenergy.blogspot.com/

Pebble bed:  you&#039;d have to ask them, or their investors, why not.  The website you link to currently says:  

&quot;Johannesburg&#039;s Business Report says the pebble bed modular reactor project is running out of cash. It&#039;s initial goals may have to be redirected.... to use its heat directly ... gasoline from coal ... for extracting oil from the Canadian tar sands. Hyperion Power is also exploring this use for its uranium hydride reactor technology....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; Why not &#8230;?</p>
<p>Thorium generally, see the link in the right sidebar, it&#8217;s actively discussed.  With some great pictures of a modern Stonehenge (abandoned partly built reactor site)   <a href="http://thoriumenergy.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://thoriumenergy.blogspot.com/</a></p>
<p>Pebble bed:  you&#8217;d have to ask them, or their investors, why not.  The website you link to currently says:  </p>
<p>&#8220;Johannesburg&#8217;s Business Report says the pebble bed modular reactor project is running out of cash. It&#8217;s initial goals may have to be redirected&#8230;. to use its heat directly &#8230; gasoline from coal &#8230; for extracting oil from the Canadian tar sands. Hyperion Power is also exploring this use for its uranium hydride reactor technology&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: pablo</title>
		<link>http://bravenewclimate.com/2009/06/20/why-is-the-us-ignoring-the-integral-fast-reactor/#comment-17639</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pablo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 12:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That should read  Prime Minister Paul Keating of course.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That should read  Prime Minister Paul Keating of course.</p>
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		<title>By: pablo</title>
		<link>http://bravenewclimate.com/2009/06/20/why-is-the-us-ignoring-the-integral-fast-reactor/#comment-17638</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pablo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 12:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Barry. I am wondering if the promotion of IFR in Australia could get a boost from the new body established by Rudd et al to rid the world of nuclear weapons, to be co-chaired by Gareth Evans. Given the ability of IFR to process spent fuel/Pu waste it would seem to me that there is a neat conjunction in the two if you factor in something like two decades. Getting Evans to believe in IFR potential might be a lot easier than flogging the issue around Canberra, notwithstanding that Gareth gave us the memorable &quot;It seemed like a good idea at the time&quot; quote when he used the RAAF  to spy on Tassie Hydro plans for the Lower Franklyn River. Sorry I can&#039;t give the title of the nuclear disarming body but the thing has had a long genesis, going back to Jeatings time. It may never go anywhere but the potential for IFR shouldn&#039;t be lost in the process.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry. I am wondering if the promotion of IFR in Australia could get a boost from the new body established by Rudd et al to rid the world of nuclear weapons, to be co-chaired by Gareth Evans. Given the ability of IFR to process spent fuel/Pu waste it would seem to me that there is a neat conjunction in the two if you factor in something like two decades. Getting Evans to believe in IFR potential might be a lot easier than flogging the issue around Canberra, notwithstanding that Gareth gave us the memorable &#8220;It seemed like a good idea at the time&#8221; quote when he used the RAAF  to spy on Tassie Hydro plans for the Lower Franklyn River. Sorry I can&#8217;t give the title of the nuclear disarming body but the thing has had a long genesis, going back to Jeatings time. It may never go anywhere but the potential for IFR shouldn&#8217;t be lost in the process.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://bravenewclimate.com/2009/06/20/why-is-the-us-ignoring-the-integral-fast-reactor/#comment-17637</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 12:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why not the OTHER radioactive element THORIUM?
Pebble Bed Helium cooled brayton cycle modular

Many advantages:  http://pebblebedreactor.blogspot.com/ 

http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/004841.html  

OR Wiki has a good overview]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not the OTHER radioactive element THORIUM?<br />
Pebble Bed Helium cooled brayton cycle modular</p>
<p>Many advantages:  <a href="http://pebblebedreactor.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://pebblebedreactor.blogspot.com/</a> </p>
<p><a href="http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/004841.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/004841.html</a>  </p>
<p>OR Wiki has a good overview</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Howes</title>
		<link>http://bravenewclimate.com/2009/06/20/why-is-the-us-ignoring-the-integral-fast-reactor/#comment-17634</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Neil Howes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ed,
Ants had 150 million years when re-building after a dinosaur walked over paid off, perhaps they will outlast humans or at least until young boys loose interest. My money&#039;s on the ants.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed,<br />
Ants had 150 million years when re-building after a dinosaur walked over paid off, perhaps they will outlast humans or at least until young boys loose interest. My money&#8217;s on the ants.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Blees</title>
		<link>http://bravenewclimate.com/2009/06/20/why-is-the-us-ignoring-the-integral-fast-reactor/#comment-17561</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Blees]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ed, it seems that the USA has such a wonderful collection of national labs that we can invent some of the most awesome stuff on the planet. But when it comes to actually building any of it on a commercial scale we fall flat on our faces, because then politicians take the reins (when it comes to anything nuclear) and it all goes south. If the scientists at the national labs would continue to push it that might make a difference, but their business is research, not commercialization, and they&#039;ve all got their niches so it&#039;s like herding cats to try to get consensus. So you get the never-ending &quot;Let&#039;s do more R&amp;D&quot; line, which is of course the raison d&#039;etre of national labs, and indecisive politicians afraid of the N word are more than happy to agree on ever more R&amp;D.

The PRISM is ready to be built. But it&#039;s going to take some decisive politicians to get the thing done. Are we getting close? A confluence of factors (Yucca Mountain, global warming, disarmament leading to lots of Pu being available) will hopefully be sufficient to get them off the dime, but I&#039;m not holding my breath. At this point it looks more likely that the PRISM will end up being built outside the States first due to political inertia. I could go on and on about this, believe me, but for reasons of political discretion I must refrain.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed, it seems that the USA has such a wonderful collection of national labs that we can invent some of the most awesome stuff on the planet. But when it comes to actually building any of it on a commercial scale we fall flat on our faces, because then politicians take the reins (when it comes to anything nuclear) and it all goes south. If the scientists at the national labs would continue to push it that might make a difference, but their business is research, not commercialization, and they&#8217;ve all got their niches so it&#8217;s like herding cats to try to get consensus. So you get the never-ending &#8220;Let&#8217;s do more R&amp;D&#8221; line, which is of course the raison d&#8217;etre of national labs, and indecisive politicians afraid of the N word are more than happy to agree on ever more R&amp;D.</p>
<p>The PRISM is ready to be built. But it&#8217;s going to take some decisive politicians to get the thing done. Are we getting close? A confluence of factors (Yucca Mountain, global warming, disarmament leading to lots of Pu being available) will hopefully be sufficient to get them off the dime, but I&#8217;m not holding my breath. At this point it looks more likely that the PRISM will end up being built outside the States first due to political inertia. I could go on and on about this, believe me, but for reasons of political discretion I must refrain.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Blees</title>
		<link>http://bravenewclimate.com/2009/06/20/why-is-the-us-ignoring-the-integral-fast-reactor/#comment-17558</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Blees]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The UCB nuclear engineering department has experienced a slow attrition over the decades of nuclear stagnation in the States and could desperately use an infusion of capital to create their own renaissance to help train engineers for the promised nuclear renaissance. Fortunately they have a director who is savvy about the fact that the Pacific Rim is primed for a nuclear boom and she realizes that Berkeley can be a focal point for the education of nuclear engineers and physicists in the Asia-Pacific region. Hopefully she&#039;ll be able to make that vision a reality.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The UCB nuclear engineering department has experienced a slow attrition over the decades of nuclear stagnation in the States and could desperately use an infusion of capital to create their own renaissance to help train engineers for the promised nuclear renaissance. Fortunately they have a director who is savvy about the fact that the Pacific Rim is primed for a nuclear boom and she realizes that Berkeley can be a focal point for the education of nuclear engineers and physicists in the Asia-Pacific region. Hopefully she&#8217;ll be able to make that vision a reality.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
		<link>http://bravenewclimate.com/2009/06/20/why-is-the-us-ignoring-the-integral-fast-reactor/#comment-17511</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 06:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My son has a good time trying to teach ants this lesson in our back garden. He flattens anthills frequently and is impressed that the ants continue to build it back up in little time at all. Tenacious little buggers, but not all that great at economics.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My son has a good time trying to teach ants this lesson in our back garden. He flattens anthills frequently and is impressed that the ants continue to build it back up in little time at all. Tenacious little buggers, but not all that great at economics.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Russell</title>
		<link>http://bravenewclimate.com/2009/06/20/why-is-the-us-ignoring-the-integral-fast-reactor/#comment-17505</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoff Russell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 04:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Man the Hunted&quot; by Donna Hart and Robert Sussman is a
great antidote for top-predator delusions ... get/read the second 
edition.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Man the Hunted&#8221; by Donna Hart and Robert Sussman is a<br />
great antidote for top-predator delusions &#8230; get/read the second<br />
edition.</p>
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		<title>By: Hank Roberts</title>
		<link>http://bravenewclimate.com/2009/06/20/why-is-the-us-ignoring-the-integral-fast-reactor/#comment-17499</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hank Roberts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 00:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And another PS -- this is about the tactics Waxman has used, successfully, with other difficult legislative measures.  He doesn&#039;t expect to get everything the first time:

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2009/0905.homans.html

&quot;... Henry Waxman’s climate change bill won’t make it into law this year. That’s why he’s the right guy for the job....&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And another PS &#8212; this is about the tactics Waxman has used, successfully, with other difficult legislative measures.  He doesn&#8217;t expect to get everything the first time:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2009/0905.homans.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2009/0905.homans.html</a></p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230; Henry Waxman’s climate change bill won’t make it into law this year. That’s why he’s the right guy for the job&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Hank Roberts</title>
		<link>http://bravenewclimate.com/2009/06/20/why-is-the-us-ignoring-the-integral-fast-reactor/#comment-17497</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hank Roberts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 00:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[PS to Barry, thanks for the example; I&#039;d been thinking of &quot;sunk costs&quot; in terms of abandoning investment of effort toward some possible acquisition that doesn&#039;t work out --  trying to stalk an antelope and giving up when it startles far enough away it can&#039;t be run down, or trying to get honey out of a tree and finding the wood&#039;s not rotten enough to break the hive out easily without too many beestings.  Not the same sense of &#039;sunk cost&#039;as not expecting a new predator.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS to Barry, thanks for the example; I&#8217;d been thinking of &#8220;sunk costs&#8221; in terms of abandoning investment of effort toward some possible acquisition that doesn&#8217;t work out &#8212;  trying to stalk an antelope and giving up when it startles far enough away it can&#8217;t be run down, or trying to get honey out of a tree and finding the wood&#8217;s not rotten enough to break the hive out easily without too many beestings.  Not the same sense of &#8216;sunk cost&#8217;as not expecting a new predator.</p>
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