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	<title>Comments on: El Niño and sunspots return, sea ice doesn&#8217;t</title>
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		<title>By: Sea level rise &#8211; it&#8217;s still happening, isn&#8217;t it? Part 1 &#171; BraveNewClimate</title>
		<link>http://bravenewclimate.com/2009/07/05/el-nino-and-sunspots-return-sea-ice-doesnt/#comment-73596</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sea level rise &#8211; it&#8217;s still happening, isn&#8217;t it? Part 1 &#171; BraveNewClimate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 05:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Svempa</title>
		<link>http://bravenewclimate.com/2009/07/05/el-nino-and-sunspots-return-sea-ice-doesnt/#comment-40511</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Svempa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 10:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ms Perps, Dazed and Confused,

I would like to add that considering the extensive loss of multi-year-ice due to abnormal wind patterns during the 2007 melt season it is rather remarkable that the recovery is going so well. Extrapolating the curve for 2009-2010 in your diagram it seems likely that the ice extent will soon be within 2 standard deviations from the 1979-2000 average. It will of course take another one or two years to build up really thick ice again, but the present cooling trend will help there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms Perps, Dazed and Confused,</p>
<p>I would like to add that considering the extensive loss of multi-year-ice due to abnormal wind patterns during the 2007 melt season it is rather remarkable that the recovery is going so well. Extrapolating the curve for 2009-2010 in your diagram it seems likely that the ice extent will soon be within 2 standard deviations from the 1979-2000 average. It will of course take another one or two years to build up really thick ice again, but the present cooling trend will help there.</p>
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		<title>By: Svempa</title>
		<link>http://bravenewclimate.com/2009/07/05/el-nino-and-sunspots-return-sea-ice-doesnt/#comment-40510</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Svempa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 10:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ms Perps, Dazed and Confused,

Well, if you do not believe me perhaps you will believe NASA?
&quot;Nghiem said the rapid decline in winter perennial ice the past two years was caused by unusual winds. &quot;Unusual atmospheric conditions set up wind patterns that compressed the sea ice, loaded it into the Transpolar Drift Stream and then sped its flow out of the Arctic,&quot; he said. When that sea ice reached lower latitudes, it rapidly melted in the warmer waters.

&quot;The winds causing this trend in ice reduction were set up by an unusual pattern of atmospheric pressure that began at the beginning of this century,&quot; Nghiem said. &quot;

Link: http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/lookingatearth/quikscat-20071001.html .

And as can be seen from the Danish link I gave previously the ice extent is quite normal for this time of year, compared to all years since 2002. The link again: http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms Perps, Dazed and Confused,</p>
<p>Well, if you do not believe me perhaps you will believe NASA?<br />
&#8220;Nghiem said the rapid decline in winter perennial ice the past two years was caused by unusual winds. &#8220;Unusual atmospheric conditions set up wind patterns that compressed the sea ice, loaded it into the Transpolar Drift Stream and then sped its flow out of the Arctic,&#8221; he said. When that sea ice reached lower latitudes, it rapidly melted in the warmer waters.</p>
<p>&#8220;The winds causing this trend in ice reduction were set up by an unusual pattern of atmospheric pressure that began at the beginning of this century,&#8221; Nghiem said. &#8221;</p>
<p>Link: <a href="http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/lookingatearth/quikscat-20071001.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/lookingatearth/quikscat-20071001.html</a> .</p>
<p>And as can be seen from the Danish link I gave previously the ice extent is quite normal for this time of year, compared to all years since 2002. The link again: <a href="http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm</a> .</p>
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		<title>By: Dazed and Confused</title>
		<link>http://bravenewclimate.com/2009/07/05/el-nino-and-sunspots-return-sea-ice-doesnt/#comment-40509</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dazed and Confused]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Svempa

Your claim is looking rather false!: 
&lt;blockquote&gt;
&#039;The summer melt showed that the arctic ice is recovering nicely from the low of 2007, which by the way was NOT caused by melting but by a rarely occuring wind pattern which simply blew away a lot of arctic ice.&#039;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Re: &#039;arctic ice is recovering nicely from the low of 2007&#039;.
Around the 13th November, Arctic sea ice extent fell briefly to a new low for that time of year, below that of 2007. It is clear that since 2006 i.e. for 3 successive years, the majority of the time the Arctic sea ice extent has remained significantly below the mean minus 2 standard deviations. I&#039;ll leave you to figure out why.

Essentially your claims are not borne-out when compared with the facts!

http://nsidc.org/images/arcticseaicenews/20091207_Figure2.png]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Svempa</p>
<p>Your claim is looking rather false!: </p>
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&#8216;The summer melt showed that the arctic ice is recovering nicely from the low of 2007, which by the way was NOT caused by melting but by a rarely occuring wind pattern which simply blew away a lot of arctic ice.&#8217;
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<p>Re: &#8216;arctic ice is recovering nicely from the low of 2007&#8242;.<br />
Around the 13th November, Arctic sea ice extent fell briefly to a new low for that time of year, below that of 2007. It is clear that since 2006 i.e. for 3 successive years, the majority of the time the Arctic sea ice extent has remained significantly below the mean minus 2 standard deviations. I&#8217;ll leave you to figure out why.</p>
<p>Essentially your claims are not borne-out when compared with the facts!</p>
<p><a href="http://nsidc.org/images/arcticseaicenews/20091207_Figure2.png" rel="nofollow">http://nsidc.org/images/arcticseaicenews/20091207_Figure2.png</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ms.Perps</title>
		<link>http://bravenewclimate.com/2009/07/05/el-nino-and-sunspots-return-sea-ice-doesnt/#comment-40499</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ms.Perps]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 06:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Of course it has increased  - IT&#039;S WINTER!!!!!
As for the summer melt - the 2009 extent may have been greater than 2007 but the thickness of the new ice and the amount of old ice has diminished. 
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2009/jul/HQ_09-155_Thin_Sea_Ice.html
http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course it has increased  &#8211; IT&#8217;S WINTER!!!!!<br />
As for the summer melt &#8211; the 2009 extent may have been greater than 2007 but the thickness of the new ice and the amount of old ice has diminished.<br />
<a href="http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2009/jul/HQ_09-155_Thin_Sea_Ice.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2009/jul/HQ_09-155_Thin_Sea_Ice.html</a><br />
<a href="http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/" rel="nofollow">http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Svempa</title>
		<link>http://bravenewclimate.com/2009/07/05/el-nino-and-sunspots-return-sea-ice-doesnt/#comment-40473</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Svempa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 19:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Contrary to all that Barry Brook writes, arctic sea ice has increased the last several months following the usual pattern. See http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm .
The summer melt showed that the arctic ice is recovering nicely from the low of 2007, which by the way was NOT caused by melting but by a rarely occuring wind pattern which simply blew away  a lot of arctic ice.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Contrary to all that Barry Brook writes, arctic sea ice has increased the last several months following the usual pattern. See <a href="http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm</a> .<br />
The summer melt showed that the arctic ice is recovering nicely from the low of 2007, which by the way was NOT caused by melting but by a rarely occuring wind pattern which simply blew away  a lot of arctic ice.</p>
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		<title>By: Mind the gap &#8211; distant climates and immediate budgets &#171; BraveNewClimate</title>
		<link>http://bravenewclimate.com/2009/07/05/el-nino-and-sunspots-return-sea-ice-doesnt/#comment-39162</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mind the gap &#8211; distant climates and immediate budgets &#171; BraveNewClimate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 12:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] sea surface temperatures. Overall, 2009 looks to be heading for the 5th hottest year on record, despite the strong ameliorating effects earlier in the year of La Nina, and the sun bottoming out in a deep and persistent solar minimum. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] sea surface temperatures. Overall, 2009 looks to be heading for the 5th hottest year on record, despite the strong ameliorating effects earlier in the year of La Nina, and the sun bottoming out in a deep and persistent solar minimum. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Barry Brook</title>
		<link>http://bravenewclimate.com/2009/07/05/el-nino-and-sunspots-return-sea-ice-doesnt/#comment-36395</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Brook]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 06:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The post was written in July. But to update, Arctic sea is currently at a historical all-time low for November:
http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_timeseries.png]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The post was written in July. But to update, Arctic sea is currently at a historical all-time low for November:<br />
<a href="http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_timeseries.png" rel="nofollow">http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_timeseries.png</a></p>
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		<title>By: Maxwells</title>
		<link>http://bravenewclimate.com/2009/07/05/el-nino-and-sunspots-return-sea-ice-doesnt/#comment-36394</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maxwells]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 06:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s odd, the latest satellite images from the Arctic Region show the sea ice has returned to levels not seen in many years. Why is Barry Brook trying to spread false warnings? You can see for yourself, compare the 2009 photo images to the past and you can see the sea ice is returning.

Why hasn&#039;t Barry Brook presented the latest satellite images available with his story?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s odd, the latest satellite images from the Arctic Region show the sea ice has returned to levels not seen in many years. Why is Barry Brook trying to spread false warnings? You can see for yourself, compare the 2009 photo images to the past and you can see the sea ice is returning.</p>
<p>Why hasn&#8217;t Barry Brook presented the latest satellite images available with his story?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://bravenewclimate.com/2009/07/05/el-nino-and-sunspots-return-sea-ice-doesnt/#comment-25313</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 14:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But higher atmospheric CO2 concentration will be good for the planet - no?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But higher atmospheric CO2 concentration will be good for the planet &#8211; no?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Duffett</title>
		<link>http://bravenewclimate.com/2009/07/05/el-nino-and-sunspots-return-sea-ice-doesnt/#comment-21013</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Duffett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 23:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.agu.org/journals/eo/eo0930/2009EO300001.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This&lt;/a&gt; worries me a bit.

Sorry, just realised that link will be behind a paywall for most of you.  An alternative version is visible &lt;a href=&quot;http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/13/sunspots-today-a-cheshire-cat-new-essay-from-livingston-and-penn/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here.&lt;/a&gt;  Note I do not recommend scrolling down to the comments if you are of a sensitive or volatile disposition.

Of course, all of this can be rendered redundant by reality very quickly; for up-to-the-minute observations you can always go &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.spaceweather.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.agu.org/journals/eo/eo0930/2009EO300001.pdf" rel="nofollow">This</a> worries me a bit.</p>
<p>Sorry, just realised that link will be behind a paywall for most of you.  An alternative version is visible <a href="http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/13/sunspots-today-a-cheshire-cat-new-essay-from-livingston-and-penn/" rel="nofollow">here.</a>  Note I do not recommend scrolling down to the comments if you are of a sensitive or volatile disposition.</p>
<p>Of course, all of this can be rendered redundant by reality very quickly; for up-to-the-minute observations you can always go <a href="http://www.spaceweather.com/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://bravenewclimate.com/2009/07/05/el-nino-and-sunspots-return-sea-ice-doesnt/#comment-20752</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 11:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Something not relised by many is that Black Friday also occurred during a La Nina..... so the two hottest days in Victoria&#039;s history occurred during La Nina. My &quot;hunch&quot; is that the release of massive amounts of latent heat is necessary for achieving the baking heat in days like Black Saturday (though you can also put down 1C of extra heat to the enhanced greenhouse effect).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something not relised by many is that Black Friday also occurred during a La Nina&#8230;.. so the two hottest days in Victoria&#8217;s history occurred during La Nina. My &#8220;hunch&#8221; is that the release of massive amounts of latent heat is necessary for achieving the baking heat in days like Black Saturday (though you can also put down 1C of extra heat to the enhanced greenhouse effect).</p>
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		<title>By: Sun, Sun, Sun &#8230; here it comes &#8211; NOT &#171; Greenfyre&#8217;s</title>
		<link>http://bravenewclimate.com/2009/07/05/el-nino-and-sunspots-return-sea-ice-doesnt/#comment-20407</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sun, Sun, Sun &#8230; here it comes &#8211; NOT &#171; Greenfyre&#8217;s]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 16:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] For example, 2008 should be roughly similar to 1911/1912, or perhaps 1953 ie cold; in fact  given that 2008 was a La Nina year, it should have been very cold. Instead 2008 was the hottest La Nina-influenced year (with no El Nino) ever recorded (and here). [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] For example, 2008 should be roughly similar to 1911/1912, or perhaps 1953 ie cold; in fact  given that 2008 was a La Nina year, it should have been very cold. Instead 2008 was the hottest La Nina-influenced year (with no El Nino) ever recorded (and here). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Barry Brook</title>
		<link>http://bravenewclimate.com/2009/07/05/el-nino-and-sunspots-return-sea-ice-doesnt/#comment-19646</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Brook]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 04:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is indeed heading into the +ve -- the key will be whether this fluctuation is sustained. Interesting to watch.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is indeed heading into the +ve &#8212; the key will be whether this fluctuation is sustained. Interesting to watch.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Wolk</title>
		<link>http://bravenewclimate.com/2009/07/05/el-nino-and-sunspots-return-sea-ice-doesnt/#comment-19603</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Carl Wolk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey guys, don&#039;t get to excited about the El Nino predictions. SOI is back to positive.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey guys, don&#8217;t get to excited about the El Nino predictions. SOI is back to positive.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon</title>
		<link>http://bravenewclimate.com/2009/07/05/el-nino-and-sunspots-return-sea-ice-doesnt/#comment-19516</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gordon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 23:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ken,

If I&#039;m to believe this fellow then it is all too late !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGfxAZCtivc]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken,</p>
<p>If I&#8217;m to believe this fellow then it is all too late !</p>
<p><span style="text-align:center; display: block;"><a href="http://bravenewclimate.com/2009/07/05/el-nino-and-sunspots-return-sea-ice-doesnt/"><img src="http://img.youtube.com/vi/aGfxAZCtivc/2.jpg" alt="" /></a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Ken Fabos</title>
		<link>http://bravenewclimate.com/2009/07/05/el-nino-and-sunspots-return-sea-ice-doesnt/#comment-19514</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ken Fabos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 23:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gordon, try applying some actual critical analysis of your preferred sources of information. When they consistently disagree with what comes out of every long standing institution that actually studies climate and don&#039;t publish in peer reviewed science journals they certainly don&#039;t deserve to get the attention and respect that comes with real contributions to science. That should be enough to make you reassess if your preferred sources are actually correct but it appears not. If their scientific arguments had merit they&#039;d be taken seriously and, given the world changing seriousness of this issue, I find the constant unwarranted criticisms of honest and diligent real working scientists more than merely contemptible - when global warming really impacts the planet, the failure to act sensibly and promptly will be, in part, down to you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gordon, try applying some actual critical analysis of your preferred sources of information. When they consistently disagree with what comes out of every long standing institution that actually studies climate and don&#8217;t publish in peer reviewed science journals they certainly don&#8217;t deserve to get the attention and respect that comes with real contributions to science. That should be enough to make you reassess if your preferred sources are actually correct but it appears not. If their scientific arguments had merit they&#8217;d be taken seriously and, given the world changing seriousness of this issue, I find the constant unwarranted criticisms of honest and diligent real working scientists more than merely contemptible &#8211; when global warming really impacts the planet, the failure to act sensibly and promptly will be, in part, down to you.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon</title>
		<link>http://bravenewclimate.com/2009/07/05/el-nino-and-sunspots-return-sea-ice-doesnt/#comment-19457</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gordon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 12:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Barry

Scientists understand that about 75% of the world&#039;s volcanic activity occurs underwater in the world&#039;s deep oceanic basins, up to depths of 2.5 miles. At present the only group to be seriously studing them is the NOAA under their Vents Program and while they are making progress they have a lot of ground to cover.

As far as a curious coincidence goes, we all know volcanics release a large amount of CO2 (and hydrocarbons strangely enough) take another look at the Keeling Curve and you will notice how linear it is. Why can&#039;t we see the variations that come about through changes due to economic cycles?

The IPCC relies on the Kaya Identity to calculate human sourced CO2, the main flaw in this calculation is the reliance on GDP as an indicator of carbon producing activity.  You only need to at Australia&#039;s GDP to know that the manufacturing base that once was has been replaced by the service and finance sectors.  Essentially the faster the money flows the higher the GDP - which bears no direct relationship to the release of CO2.  I digress..

The surface of the moon is more studied that that of earth.  Science has little understanding of the forces at work in the earths core, in fact science does not even fully understand gravity (the most sophisticated device we have to measure it is a spring on a piece of string:-) nor where it goes (M theory, Unified String Theory etc). Yet, through the UN, we are told that science has all the answers - the debate is over. Unfortunately the climate models are flawed and I don&#039;t believe that renewables are the future. If there was going to be serious debate about reducing CO2 then it would include Nuclear, you just need to ask yourself why it is not being considered.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Barry</p>
<p>Scientists understand that about 75% of the world&#8217;s volcanic activity occurs underwater in the world&#8217;s deep oceanic basins, up to depths of 2.5 miles. At present the only group to be seriously studing them is the NOAA under their Vents Program and while they are making progress they have a lot of ground to cover.</p>
<p>As far as a curious coincidence goes, we all know volcanics release a large amount of CO2 (and hydrocarbons strangely enough) take another look at the Keeling Curve and you will notice how linear it is. Why can&#8217;t we see the variations that come about through changes due to economic cycles?</p>
<p>The IPCC relies on the Kaya Identity to calculate human sourced CO2, the main flaw in this calculation is the reliance on GDP as an indicator of carbon producing activity.  You only need to at Australia&#8217;s GDP to know that the manufacturing base that once was has been replaced by the service and finance sectors.  Essentially the faster the money flows the higher the GDP &#8211; which bears no direct relationship to the release of CO2.  I digress..</p>
<p>The surface of the moon is more studied that that of earth.  Science has little understanding of the forces at work in the earths core, in fact science does not even fully understand gravity (the most sophisticated device we have to measure it is a spring on a piece of string:-) nor where it goes (M theory, Unified String Theory etc). Yet, through the UN, we are told that science has all the answers &#8211; the debate is over. Unfortunately the climate models are flawed and I don&#8217;t believe that renewables are the future. If there was going to be serious debate about reducing CO2 then it would include Nuclear, you just need to ask yourself why it is not being considered.</p>
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		<title>By: Gaz</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gaz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 06:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[David Walters, that&#039;s a big claim you&#039;ve made that &quot;The American Meteorological Association leadership voted to pull the broadcast licenses of any on-air weather person who questions man-made climate change&quot;.

Forget about the vote, maybe you&#039;d like to provide some evidence that there&#039;s such a thing as a broadcast license over which the American Meteorological Association has any control.

Actually, come to think of it, perhaps you&#039;d like to provide some evidence that there is in fact such an organistion as &quot;The American Meteorological Association&quot;.

Then after you&#039;ve done that we can figure out whether this alleged vote ever occurred.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Walters, that&#8217;s a big claim you&#8217;ve made that &#8220;The American Meteorological Association leadership voted to pull the broadcast licenses of any on-air weather person who questions man-made climate change&#8221;.</p>
<p>Forget about the vote, maybe you&#8217;d like to provide some evidence that there&#8217;s such a thing as a broadcast license over which the American Meteorological Association has any control.</p>
<p>Actually, come to think of it, perhaps you&#8217;d like to provide some evidence that there is in fact such an organistion as &#8220;The American Meteorological Association&#8221;.</p>
<p>Then after you&#8217;ve done that we can figure out whether this alleged vote ever occurred.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry Brook</title>
		<link>http://bravenewclimate.com/2009/07/05/el-nino-and-sunspots-return-sea-ice-doesnt/#comment-19423</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Brook]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 05:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, I was actually visiting Chicago in late June, and it was 33C for two days in a row. So &quot;Chicago warming&quot; must be true after all. Or maybe not. Dunno. I&#039;m sure it&#039;s nothing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I was actually visiting Chicago in late June, and it was 33C for two days in a row. So &#8220;Chicago warming&#8221; must be true after all. Or maybe not. Dunno. I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s nothing.</p>
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