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	<title>Comments on: Nuclear Power &#8211; Yes Please! (why we need nuclear energy to beat climate change)</title>
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	<description>Getting to grips with the brave new world of future climate and energy - notes from a Promethean environmentalist</description>
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		<title>By: Machiavelli</title>
		<link>http://bravenewclimate.com/2010/07/28/nuclear-power-yes-please-for-cc/#comment-113143</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Feb 2011 05:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[from Dr Alvin Weinberg again 

&lt;blockquote&gt; A nuclear-powered aircraft would have unlimited range. On the face of it however, nuclear reactors are entirely unsuitable for powering manned aircraft. Though the reactor might be made small enough to fit into a large bomber, the radiation shield might weigh as much as 100 tons. The reactor would have to operate at 1,500 deg F or higher to drive a jet engine. Were a nuclear airplane to crash, the radioactive core would contaminate many square miles. 


What caused otherwise sober, even brilliant engineers to conclude that nuclear flight wasn’t crazy? In part, it was fear of the Soviet Union &amp; the difficulties in developing ICBM’s. Also partly due to autocatalytic optimism.    1994      &lt;/blockquote&gt;  
This phrase really covers why the WHOLE nuclear power program has been irrationally pursued when there were so many obviously difficult engineering &amp; safety problems needing to be solved, &amp; continue to be REALLY unsolved.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>from Dr Alvin Weinberg again </p>
<blockquote><p> A nuclear-powered aircraft would have unlimited range. On the face of it however, nuclear reactors are entirely unsuitable for powering manned aircraft. Though the reactor might be made small enough to fit into a large bomber, the radiation shield might weigh as much as 100 tons. The reactor would have to operate at 1,500 deg F or higher to drive a jet engine. Were a nuclear airplane to crash, the radioactive core would contaminate many square miles. </p>
<p>What caused otherwise sober, even brilliant engineers to conclude that nuclear flight wasn’t crazy? In part, it was fear of the Soviet Union &amp; the difficulties in developing ICBM’s. Also partly due to autocatalytic optimism.    1994      </p></blockquote>
<p>This phrase really covers why the WHOLE nuclear power program has been irrationally pursued when there were so many obviously difficult engineering &amp; safety problems needing to be solved, &amp; continue to be REALLY unsolved.</p>
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		<title>By: Machiavelli</title>
		<link>http://bravenewclimate.com/2010/07/28/nuclear-power-yes-please-for-cc/#comment-113141</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Feb 2011 05:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reflections on Nuclear Power from pioneer Dr Alvin Weinberg

&lt;blockquote&gt; Possible failure of nuclear energy was far from our minds at Geneva in 1955. Here was this gathering of the world’s nuclear scientists, including Bohr, Wigner, Cockcroft, Teller, Heisenberg, Perrin &amp; the political functionaries. It would’ve been the height of bad manners to suggest that nuclear energy would not necessarily succeed. Nor did anyone even consider this possibility, since nuclear power was being generated already in some places &amp; we were all caught up in the promise of the ‘miraculous’ new source of energy. As one goes through the 15 volume proceedings there is hardly a suspicion that the problems mentioned by Enrico Fermi in 1944 (immense radioactivity &amp; plutonium diversion) might prove intractable. (James Conant felt in 1951 that the waste issue was also intractable).


The nuclear reality was turning out to be far less utopian than the visions I had promoted in the 1960’s. The underlying issues were the same two that Enrico Fermi had warned us about at the New Piles Committee in 1944, where reactors created radioactivity on an enormous, unprecedented scale, &amp; breeders were potential bomb factories. If a reactor failed catastrophically, radioactivity would be widely spread. 


Because radioactivity was hazardous, government regulation of nuclear power became onerous &amp; intrusive. As a result, a component like a valve in a nuclear plant might cost 5x more than a similar part in a fossil-fuel plant. Maintenance of radioactive pumps, heat exchangers etc, was far more expensive than we had predicted. 


I think the nuclear establishment made a serious mistake when it first established ‘acceptable’ levels of public exposure. When I started to work on the Manhattan project in 1941, the allowable dose to workers was set at 100 mrems per day (or 36 rems per year). This was derived from experience with X-ray workers &amp; was about 10x lower than the doses that produced manifest harm like radiation burns. This was later reduced to about 5 rems per year for workers, with the allowable public exposure about 10x less than occupational limits. Relating public exposure to occupational exposure was in retrospect a blunder, since the occupational standards had been set to avoid acute radiation effects (skin-burn) not long-term effects like cancer. Unfortunately, little was known in the early days about radiation-induced cancer. 


What WAS known was that background radiation subjected all of us to about 100-200 mrems per year. We could have set radiation standards, even in the earliest days, in relation to the NBR. In the very first report by the National Academy of Sciences on the setting of radiation standards, this approach was discussed, but it was not adopted by the NCRP. This was a blunder the whole nuclear enterprise fell into. 


As I reflect on my own involvement in the waste problem, I have some regrets. Most importantly, during my years at ORNL I paid too little attention to the waste problem. Designing &amp; building reactors was what interested me, not nuclear waste. I did not aggressively push the work on waste disposal at ORNL. 


Nuclear energy will always be a demanding technology, one that requires a level of technical sophistication that American utilities generally do not posses. 


One of my first jobs at the Metallurgical Laboratory in 1942 was to help Dr Edward Teller estimate how much radioactivity would be released from an air-cooled graphite reactor due to the graphite oxidation. Thus even in the earliest days we were aware that our marvellous new energy source had a profound deficiency. Along with the energy came radioactivity on an unprecedented scale. Safety was not dominant in our thinking (during wartime) but was more secondary. 


But now we realised that a failure of the safety features could in extreme cases, lead to the failure of pressure vessel &amp; containment. The containment &amp; safety features in such cases became effectively in parallel, &amp; NOT in series as the AEC had previously argued. So there were in these extreme cases only TWO barriers instead of three between the radioactive fuel &amp; the public. We could no longer argue that the widespread damage described in the Brookhaven WASH-740 was impossible. &lt;/blockquote&gt; 

An admission of using another way to claim safety, which misleads the public

&lt;blockquote&gt; We then had to change the basis of our claim that reactors were ‘safe’. Instead of claiming that because reactors were contained, no accident would cause off-site consequences, we had to argue that, yes, a severe accident was possible, but the probability of its occurrence was so small that reactors must be still regarded as ‘safe’. Reactor safety then became ‘probabilistic’ &amp; not ‘deterministic’. Does the public regard risk a probability x consequences? Or does the public only consider consequences without understanding probabilities?    &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well the Rasmussen Report 1974-75 claimed an unbelievable risk of 1 major accident in 1 million reactor years. TMI 1979 &amp; Chernobyl 1986, proved that wrong, even with the lower number of reactors operating then. With so many people in the modern world making major mistakes, probabilistic assessments are grossly misleading if they do not allow for such human failures, &amp; are therefore of no practical value. Even the NRC repudiated the Rasmussen Report before the TMI accident.

&lt;blockquote&gt; By 1972, reactor safety had become a primary source of contention between the nuclear industry &amp; the intervenors. I found myself increasingly at odds with the AEC reactor division. After all, we were pushing molten salt reactors &amp; not LMFBR’s. We were also being troublesome over the question of reactor safety. One day Floyd Culler &amp; I was talking to Chet Holifield about our work on reactor safety. Chet was clearly showing signs of exasperation &amp; blurted out, “Alvin, if you are concerned about the safety of reactors, then I think it may be time for you to leave nuclear energy.”    &lt;/blockquote&gt; 

Is that the way to treat an experienced pioneer when he is advocating safety issues? Shortly after the above conversation, Dr Weinberg lost his job.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reflections on Nuclear Power from pioneer Dr Alvin Weinberg</p>
<blockquote><p> Possible failure of nuclear energy was far from our minds at Geneva in 1955. Here was this gathering of the world’s nuclear scientists, including Bohr, Wigner, Cockcroft, Teller, Heisenberg, Perrin &amp; the political functionaries. It would’ve been the height of bad manners to suggest that nuclear energy would not necessarily succeed. Nor did anyone even consider this possibility, since nuclear power was being generated already in some places &amp; we were all caught up in the promise of the ‘miraculous’ new source of energy. As one goes through the 15 volume proceedings there is hardly a suspicion that the problems mentioned by Enrico Fermi in 1944 (immense radioactivity &amp; plutonium diversion) might prove intractable. (James Conant felt in 1951 that the waste issue was also intractable).</p>
<p>The nuclear reality was turning out to be far less utopian than the visions I had promoted in the 1960’s. The underlying issues were the same two that Enrico Fermi had warned us about at the New Piles Committee in 1944, where reactors created radioactivity on an enormous, unprecedented scale, &amp; breeders were potential bomb factories. If a reactor failed catastrophically, radioactivity would be widely spread. </p>
<p>Because radioactivity was hazardous, government regulation of nuclear power became onerous &amp; intrusive. As a result, a component like a valve in a nuclear plant might cost 5x more than a similar part in a fossil-fuel plant. Maintenance of radioactive pumps, heat exchangers etc, was far more expensive than we had predicted. </p>
<p>I think the nuclear establishment made a serious mistake when it first established ‘acceptable’ levels of public exposure. When I started to work on the Manhattan project in 1941, the allowable dose to workers was set at 100 mrems per day (or 36 rems per year). This was derived from experience with X-ray workers &amp; was about 10x lower than the doses that produced manifest harm like radiation burns. This was later reduced to about 5 rems per year for workers, with the allowable public exposure about 10x less than occupational limits. Relating public exposure to occupational exposure was in retrospect a blunder, since the occupational standards had been set to avoid acute radiation effects (skin-burn) not long-term effects like cancer. Unfortunately, little was known in the early days about radiation-induced cancer. </p>
<p>What WAS known was that background radiation subjected all of us to about 100-200 mrems per year. We could have set radiation standards, even in the earliest days, in relation to the NBR. In the very first report by the National Academy of Sciences on the setting of radiation standards, this approach was discussed, but it was not adopted by the NCRP. This was a blunder the whole nuclear enterprise fell into. </p>
<p>As I reflect on my own involvement in the waste problem, I have some regrets. Most importantly, during my years at ORNL I paid too little attention to the waste problem. Designing &amp; building reactors was what interested me, not nuclear waste. I did not aggressively push the work on waste disposal at ORNL. </p>
<p>Nuclear energy will always be a demanding technology, one that requires a level of technical sophistication that American utilities generally do not posses. </p>
<p>One of my first jobs at the Metallurgical Laboratory in 1942 was to help Dr Edward Teller estimate how much radioactivity would be released from an air-cooled graphite reactor due to the graphite oxidation. Thus even in the earliest days we were aware that our marvellous new energy source had a profound deficiency. Along with the energy came radioactivity on an unprecedented scale. Safety was not dominant in our thinking (during wartime) but was more secondary. </p>
<p>But now we realised that a failure of the safety features could in extreme cases, lead to the failure of pressure vessel &amp; containment. The containment &amp; safety features in such cases became effectively in parallel, &amp; NOT in series as the AEC had previously argued. So there were in these extreme cases only TWO barriers instead of three between the radioactive fuel &amp; the public. We could no longer argue that the widespread damage described in the Brookhaven WASH-740 was impossible. </p></blockquote>
<p>An admission of using another way to claim safety, which misleads the public</p>
<blockquote><p> We then had to change the basis of our claim that reactors were ‘safe’. Instead of claiming that because reactors were contained, no accident would cause off-site consequences, we had to argue that, yes, a severe accident was possible, but the probability of its occurrence was so small that reactors must be still regarded as ‘safe’. Reactor safety then became ‘probabilistic’ &amp; not ‘deterministic’. Does the public regard risk a probability x consequences? Or does the public only consider consequences without understanding probabilities?    </p></blockquote>
<p>Well the Rasmussen Report 1974-75 claimed an unbelievable risk of 1 major accident in 1 million reactor years. TMI 1979 &amp; Chernobyl 1986, proved that wrong, even with the lower number of reactors operating then. With so many people in the modern world making major mistakes, probabilistic assessments are grossly misleading if they do not allow for such human failures, &amp; are therefore of no practical value. Even the NRC repudiated the Rasmussen Report before the TMI accident.</p>
<blockquote><p> By 1972, reactor safety had become a primary source of contention between the nuclear industry &amp; the intervenors. I found myself increasingly at odds with the AEC reactor division. After all, we were pushing molten salt reactors &amp; not LMFBR’s. We were also being troublesome over the question of reactor safety. One day Floyd Culler &amp; I was talking to Chet Holifield about our work on reactor safety. Chet was clearly showing signs of exasperation &amp; blurted out, “Alvin, if you are concerned about the safety of reactors, then I think it may be time for you to leave nuclear energy.”    </p></blockquote>
<p>Is that the way to treat an experienced pioneer when he is advocating safety issues? Shortly after the above conversation, Dr Weinberg lost his job.</p>
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		<title>By: Machiavelli</title>
		<link>http://bravenewclimate.com/2010/07/28/nuclear-power-yes-please-for-cc/#comment-112136</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Feb 2011 05:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is There A Conspiracy to Mislead the Public? III
&lt;blockquote&gt; Among those not happy with the Black Report was James Cutler who made the YTV documentary. He later received confidential copies of the detailed evidence given to the inquiry which revealed a different picture from the reassuring one made public. 


The evidence showed without doubt, that more than half the cases of childhood cancer that occurred in Seascale &amp; surrounding villages had been quite simply, left out. The result was obviously an under-estimate of the numbers involved. Worse still, says J. Cutler, other polluted areas on the Cumbrian coast were found to have alarming childhood cancer rates but were never mentioned in the report as they were not within the area that was the inquiry’s remit. 


All the statistics used by Sir Douglas Black show omissions &amp; distortions. Also the inquiry only concentrated on one limited period, from 1968 – 82. If the study period had been extended by just one year (1983), there were two further leukaemia cases diagnosed in Seascale which would’ve put Seascale at the top of the northern region for that disease. When all the missing Seascale cases are included &amp; when the ‘top -10’ wards in the area are correctly listed by statistical significance, Seascale heads the ‘top-10’ wards in the tables for all cancers &amp; leukaemias, with a rate of 24x the regional average. The odds of this occurring by chance are one million to one, &amp; are unmatched by any village so far found in Britain. 


The more detailed data shows a definite geographical pattern. Missing out cancer cases resulted in Bootle ward being shown as having only one cancer case instead of four. Four of the wards in the ‘top-10’ for childhood cancer in the northern region are found on the Cumbrian coast: Seascale, Ravenglass &amp; Wampool, both the later being on river estuaries &amp; Barrow Island, a known plutonium hotspot, according to the government’s own environmental radioactivity monitoring experts. 
On 16 February 1986, the Sunday Times revealed that discharges around the Sellafield site were at one time, 40x higher than those stated in the Black Report, &amp; that doses of radiation received by the local population for a period of 3 years during the 1960’s were 5x officially recorded. This only came to light because of physicist Derek Jakeman who was employed at Windscale in the 1950’s. In 1955, he &amp; a colleague from the Research &amp; Development Department took Geiger counters back to their homes in Seascale. The readings were very high, so high that both men immediately asked for more information on discharges from the site. Not only was this refused, but both were told that if they pressed the matter any further, they would be sacked. 


A report produced by D. Jakeman’s own department in 1955 had recorded that the amount of radioactivity in grass, lettuce &amp; milk was approaching the maximum permissible level. Milk was a particular concern in view of the possible effects on babies &amp; young children. The figure given to the Black inquiry for the amount of uranium discharged into the atmosphere between 1952 -55 was 400 grams. In actual fact it was 20 kilograms. In a statement to the Sunday Times, BNFL admitted that the figure was wrong. 


In August 1945 a lengthy paper appeared in the British Medical Journal revealing the results of the largest study of employees’ health records ever undertaken by the Atomic Energy Authority. Researchers found that the risk of genital cancer among workers exposed to low-level radiation appeared to be 15x greater than the recognised safe guidelines. It was also found that the death rate from prostate cancer in one group was 8x the national average. Men exposed to multiple sources of radiation, particularly tritium at the Winfrith plant, were up to 9x more likely to develop prostate cancer.


Probably the single most worrying aspect of this whole subject is that reliable information is so hard to come by in Britain. The point was made very well by the Guardian’s science editor, Anthony Tucker, in March 1986 when he stated that official censorship is gagging those involved in crucial civil research into radiation in the environment, &amp; he described various statements from nuclear industry spokesmen – that fears of radiation ‘are born of ignorance’ – as ‘insulting cynical hypocrisy’. Information generated by research projects, carried out in areas of public health or safety, may never reach the scientific journals &amp; then the public. There is, he said, a highly effective ‘insidious &amp; concealed form of systematic censorship operated by government departments in conjunction with industry’, &amp; this has corrupted British science to an unprecedented level. Nowhere is this more true than in the field of radiation. Government departments exercise complete control over the information resulting from contract research, possibly leading to interference, delay or the blocking of publication. The government gag is most stringently applied to research into the effects of radio-nuclides discharged into the environment. Civil research appears to show that radioactive material is not distributed evenly but accumulates as ‘hot particles’ throughout the inshore marine sediments &amp; generally in the environment over a wide area around nuclear plants.  Judith Cook 1986   &lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is There A Conspiracy to Mislead the Public? III</p>
<blockquote><p> Among those not happy with the Black Report was James Cutler who made the YTV documentary. He later received confidential copies of the detailed evidence given to the inquiry which revealed a different picture from the reassuring one made public. </p>
<p>The evidence showed without doubt, that more than half the cases of childhood cancer that occurred in Seascale &amp; surrounding villages had been quite simply, left out. The result was obviously an under-estimate of the numbers involved. Worse still, says J. Cutler, other polluted areas on the Cumbrian coast were found to have alarming childhood cancer rates but were never mentioned in the report as they were not within the area that was the inquiry’s remit. </p>
<p>All the statistics used by Sir Douglas Black show omissions &amp; distortions. Also the inquiry only concentrated on one limited period, from 1968 – 82. If the study period had been extended by just one year (1983), there were two further leukaemia cases diagnosed in Seascale which would’ve put Seascale at the top of the northern region for that disease. When all the missing Seascale cases are included &amp; when the ‘top -10’ wards in the area are correctly listed by statistical significance, Seascale heads the ‘top-10’ wards in the tables for all cancers &amp; leukaemias, with a rate of 24x the regional average. The odds of this occurring by chance are one million to one, &amp; are unmatched by any village so far found in Britain. </p>
<p>The more detailed data shows a definite geographical pattern. Missing out cancer cases resulted in Bootle ward being shown as having only one cancer case instead of four. Four of the wards in the ‘top-10’ for childhood cancer in the northern region are found on the Cumbrian coast: Seascale, Ravenglass &amp; Wampool, both the later being on river estuaries &amp; Barrow Island, a known plutonium hotspot, according to the government’s own environmental radioactivity monitoring experts.<br />
On 16 February 1986, the Sunday Times revealed that discharges around the Sellafield site were at one time, 40x higher than those stated in the Black Report, &amp; that doses of radiation received by the local population for a period of 3 years during the 1960’s were 5x officially recorded. This only came to light because of physicist Derek Jakeman who was employed at Windscale in the 1950’s. In 1955, he &amp; a colleague from the Research &amp; Development Department took Geiger counters back to their homes in Seascale. The readings were very high, so high that both men immediately asked for more information on discharges from the site. Not only was this refused, but both were told that if they pressed the matter any further, they would be sacked. </p>
<p>A report produced by D. Jakeman’s own department in 1955 had recorded that the amount of radioactivity in grass, lettuce &amp; milk was approaching the maximum permissible level. Milk was a particular concern in view of the possible effects on babies &amp; young children. The figure given to the Black inquiry for the amount of uranium discharged into the atmosphere between 1952 -55 was 400 grams. In actual fact it was 20 kilograms. In a statement to the Sunday Times, BNFL admitted that the figure was wrong. </p>
<p>In August 1945 a lengthy paper appeared in the British Medical Journal revealing the results of the largest study of employees’ health records ever undertaken by the Atomic Energy Authority. Researchers found that the risk of genital cancer among workers exposed to low-level radiation appeared to be 15x greater than the recognised safe guidelines. It was also found that the death rate from prostate cancer in one group was 8x the national average. Men exposed to multiple sources of radiation, particularly tritium at the Winfrith plant, were up to 9x more likely to develop prostate cancer.</p>
<p>Probably the single most worrying aspect of this whole subject is that reliable information is so hard to come by in Britain. The point was made very well by the Guardian’s science editor, Anthony Tucker, in March 1986 when he stated that official censorship is gagging those involved in crucial civil research into radiation in the environment, &amp; he described various statements from nuclear industry spokesmen – that fears of radiation ‘are born of ignorance’ – as ‘insulting cynical hypocrisy’. Information generated by research projects, carried out in areas of public health or safety, may never reach the scientific journals &amp; then the public. There is, he said, a highly effective ‘insidious &amp; concealed form of systematic censorship operated by government departments in conjunction with industry’, &amp; this has corrupted British science to an unprecedented level. Nowhere is this more true than in the field of radiation. Government departments exercise complete control over the information resulting from contract research, possibly leading to interference, delay or the blocking of publication. The government gag is most stringently applied to research into the effects of radio-nuclides discharged into the environment. Civil research appears to show that radioactive material is not distributed evenly but accumulates as ‘hot particles’ throughout the inshore marine sediments &amp; generally in the environment over a wide area around nuclear plants.  Judith Cook 1986   </p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Machiavelli</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Feb 2011 05:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is There A Conspiracy to Mislead the Public? II
Idaho Falls SL-1
&lt;blockquote&gt; It appeared that contrary to reports at the time, there was some release of radioactivity into the atmosphere. About 791 people involved in the cleanup &amp; rescue attempt received significant doses of radioactivity even at a time when safety thresholds were higher than at present. Some of these have now developed cancers of different kinds but the US AEC were so far refusing to follow up &amp; find all those involved. 


The body impaled on the ceiling was very difficult to remove. When rescuers got it outside it was giving off 1,500 roentgens per hour. In the process of bringing out the bodies not only did the rescuers become contaminated but so did every vehicle &amp; piece of equipment they touched. The ground around the plant &amp; even the public highway outside it were made radioactive. Those trying to clean it up became frustrated as the more they tried, the more the radiation seemed to spread. 


It took about 18 months to clean up the reactor building &amp; initially the men had to work wearing protective suits for four hours at a time, during which period they actually went into the radioactive zone for only 8 minutes. It took several relays of men just to loosen a simple nut &amp; bolt. It also transpired that some of those in charge had falsified the records of radiation doses to make them appear lower than they really were. 


Finally, in discussing how the accident occurred, the theory put forward was that it was known that one of the men involved was suffering from severe emotional problems &amp; might well have removed the control rod as a bizarre suicide act.      Judith Cook 1986  &lt;/blockquote&gt; 

Falsifying radiation records is deliberate deception, as is downplaying uncomfortable doses.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is There A Conspiracy to Mislead the Public? II<br />
Idaho Falls SL-1</p>
<blockquote><p> It appeared that contrary to reports at the time, there was some release of radioactivity into the atmosphere. About 791 people involved in the cleanup &amp; rescue attempt received significant doses of radioactivity even at a time when safety thresholds were higher than at present. Some of these have now developed cancers of different kinds but the US AEC were so far refusing to follow up &amp; find all those involved. </p>
<p>The body impaled on the ceiling was very difficult to remove. When rescuers got it outside it was giving off 1,500 roentgens per hour. In the process of bringing out the bodies not only did the rescuers become contaminated but so did every vehicle &amp; piece of equipment they touched. The ground around the plant &amp; even the public highway outside it were made radioactive. Those trying to clean it up became frustrated as the more they tried, the more the radiation seemed to spread. </p>
<p>It took about 18 months to clean up the reactor building &amp; initially the men had to work wearing protective suits for four hours at a time, during which period they actually went into the radioactive zone for only 8 minutes. It took several relays of men just to loosen a simple nut &amp; bolt. It also transpired that some of those in charge had falsified the records of radiation doses to make them appear lower than they really were. </p>
<p>Finally, in discussing how the accident occurred, the theory put forward was that it was known that one of the men involved was suffering from severe emotional problems &amp; might well have removed the control rod as a bizarre suicide act.      Judith Cook 1986  </p></blockquote>
<p>Falsifying radiation records is deliberate deception, as is downplaying uncomfortable doses.</p>
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		<title>By: Machiavelli</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is There A Conspiracy to Mislead the Public?

&lt;blockquote&gt; Altogether about $4m went into the Rasmussen study. Professor Norman Rasmussen, dean of engineering at MIT, along with a staff of fifty, spent 3 years on a study funded by the US AEC. The report came up with exactly what the AEC wanted to know: that a nuclear accident was just about the least likely accident that could possibly happen.     


One of the lesser known &amp; less publicised aims of the report was to help gain renewal of the Price-Anderson Act, legislation limiting the liability of companies operating nuclear power stations in the event of a terrible accident. The AEC also needed an optimistic survey to bolster up its flagging image. Most commentators &amp; media helped by taking the summary at its face value, &amp; not examining the 12 detailed volumes from which the summary was made. This was crucial. The summary spoke of the likely number of ‘prompt’ deaths in the event of an accident &amp; left it at that. It said that, say 10 prompt deaths would be about the same number as would occur if a meteor shower fell on a heavily populated area. However, buried in the more detailed data was the forecast that in addition to these 10 ‘prompt’ deaths there would eventually be 7,000 cancer deaths, 4,000 genetic defects &amp; 16,000 thyroid abnormalities. Radioactive contamination of about 3,000 square miles would also occur. 


Among the scientists who disagreed fundamentally with Rasmussen was one who said that the figures for death &amp; injuries were 16x too low, while another said Rasmussen had underestimated the cancer &amp; genetic effects by as much as 50 times. The Rasmussen team refused to adopt the views on the radioactive health hazards put forward by accepted health experts, &amp; instead produced from nowhere figures lower by about half than those widely accepted. They gave optimistic forecasts of evacuation &amp; decontamination measures &amp; ignored the fact that components deteriorate over time. The full report was published in 1975. By early 1979, informed criticism had reached such a level that the NRC was forced to disown it. In an unusually frank &amp; stringent criticism, the NRC spoke of the politically motivated promotional aspects of the report. The NRC said: ’the Commission does not regard as reliable the reactor safety studies of numerical estimates of the overall risk of reactor accident.....the conclusions should not be used uncritically for public purposes’.         Judith Cook 1986    &lt;/blockquote&gt; 



What a ‘surprise’. An AEC funded study that conveniently downplays the risks with a sanitised summary, to neutralise the 1964 WASH-740 report on reactor safety.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is There A Conspiracy to Mislead the Public?</p>
<blockquote><p> Altogether about $4m went into the Rasmussen study. Professor Norman Rasmussen, dean of engineering at MIT, along with a staff of fifty, spent 3 years on a study funded by the US AEC. The report came up with exactly what the AEC wanted to know: that a nuclear accident was just about the least likely accident that could possibly happen.     </p>
<p>One of the lesser known &amp; less publicised aims of the report was to help gain renewal of the Price-Anderson Act, legislation limiting the liability of companies operating nuclear power stations in the event of a terrible accident. The AEC also needed an optimistic survey to bolster up its flagging image. Most commentators &amp; media helped by taking the summary at its face value, &amp; not examining the 12 detailed volumes from which the summary was made. This was crucial. The summary spoke of the likely number of ‘prompt’ deaths in the event of an accident &amp; left it at that. It said that, say 10 prompt deaths would be about the same number as would occur if a meteor shower fell on a heavily populated area. However, buried in the more detailed data was the forecast that in addition to these 10 ‘prompt’ deaths there would eventually be 7,000 cancer deaths, 4,000 genetic defects &amp; 16,000 thyroid abnormalities. Radioactive contamination of about 3,000 square miles would also occur. </p>
<p>Among the scientists who disagreed fundamentally with Rasmussen was one who said that the figures for death &amp; injuries were 16x too low, while another said Rasmussen had underestimated the cancer &amp; genetic effects by as much as 50 times. The Rasmussen team refused to adopt the views on the radioactive health hazards put forward by accepted health experts, &amp; instead produced from nowhere figures lower by about half than those widely accepted. They gave optimistic forecasts of evacuation &amp; decontamination measures &amp; ignored the fact that components deteriorate over time. The full report was published in 1975. By early 1979, informed criticism had reached such a level that the NRC was forced to disown it. In an unusually frank &amp; stringent criticism, the NRC spoke of the politically motivated promotional aspects of the report. The NRC said: ’the Commission does not regard as reliable the reactor safety studies of numerical estimates of the overall risk of reactor accident&#8230;..the conclusions should not be used uncritically for public purposes’.         Judith Cook 1986    </p></blockquote>
<p>What a ‘surprise’. An AEC funded study that conveniently downplays the risks with a sanitised summary, to neutralise the 1964 WASH-740 report on reactor safety.</p>
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		<title>By: Ms Perps</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Jan 2011 07:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t worry Peter no-one bothers to read Macca&#039;s posts!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t worry Peter no-one bothers to read Macca&#8217;s posts!</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Lang</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Jan 2011 06:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Barry,

What is the definition of a troll?]]></description>
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<p>What is the definition of a troll?</p>
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		<title>By: Machiavelli</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Jan 2011 06:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Has the Early Nuclear Industry been guided by Excessive Pressures &amp; Bias?

Have Unacceptable Failures of Attitudes Resulted?

&lt;blockquote&gt; After the war, the US was left with a tremendous industrial complex devoted to building atomic bombs. But the knowledge &amp; the physical infrastructure developed for the bomb could easily be turned to generating nuclear electricity. So this new technology of nuclear power (which, strictly speaking, did not yet exist) had a tremendous amount of momentum as it headed into the post-war years.


Although after the war many scientists returned to the research they had pursued earlier, plenty of others were hooked on the power of the atom. Given all this, Chauncey Starr says, the attitude among many scientists was, “what do we do now?” The obvious answer was to put the war machine to work developing nuclear power. “I don’t think we thought very deeply about it. Just let’s try it.”
Once it was clear that a chain reaction in uranium was possible, scientists didn’t have to stop &amp; think what this might mean. Decades of speculation &amp; prediction had already created an image of a world with nuclear power. For Leo Szilard &amp; others, it was taken for granted that atomic energy would be the source of unbounded power. Unfortunately, this compelling image had been created from little more than the basic fact that the atomic nucleus held a great deal of power. It did not take into account (because no one knew) what sorts of things might have to be done to release that power. There was no place in the vision for the problems of nuclear waste or the dangers of radioactivity, &amp; so at first, they were not taken as seriously as they deserved.


The early government control of nuclear power created a culture of secrecy that permeated the industry, even after commercial business had taken over all but the military aspects. Too often, the first instinct of both government officials &amp; corporate managers was to hide information, to mislead, or even lie. The result was predictable - eventually a portion of the public assumed that nuclear officials were hiding something or lying, even when they weren’t. The Manhattan Project left nuclear power with a complex &amp; contradictory psychological legacy.


Looking back on the early days, Alvin Weinberg recalls that even before the end of the war, Enrico Fermi was warning his colleagues that the costs of nuclear power might be higher than people wanted to pay. Fermi said, “it was not clear that the public would accept an energy source that produced this much radioactivity, &amp; that could be subject to diversion of material for bombs.” But few paid any attention. 


Years later, David Lillienthal, the first chairman of the AEC, reflected on the motivations of the scientists. They shared a conviction, he said, “that somehow or other the discovery that produced a terrible weapon simply HAD to have an important peaceful use. Everyone, our leaders, laymen, scientists &amp; military men wanted to establish a beneficial use of this great discovery. We were grimly determined to prove that this discovery was not just a weapon.” 


Most scientists at the time were generally unconcerned with the relatively minor risks that might be caused by fallout from weapons tests. Willard Libby in a 1955 congressional hearing said: “people have got to learn to live with the facts of life, &amp; part of the facts of life are fallout”.


The Plowshare &amp; nuclear plane programs went on so long as they did because there were essentially no brakes to slow their momentum. The true believers at the AEC &amp; on the Joint Committee had nearly complete discretion in developing atomic energy, &amp; they tended to dismiss negative results as due to lack of effort or insufficient vision. It was not impossible, merely extremely difficult, to build a nuclear-powered aircraft or find a practical peaceful use for atomic bombs, &amp; so the supporters of these projects argued that the proper response to problems was to try harder &amp; spend more money.
Throughout the 1950’s, the AEC, the Joint Committee &amp; the President all pushed for nuclear power. In 1954 Congress passed a revised atomic Energy Act that changed the ground rules for developing nuclear power, &amp; was designed to encourage business to get involved. The AEC would still however own the fuel &amp; simply lease it out to companies operating reactors. This gave the commission great influence over the economics of nuclear power. For many years the AEC would subsidise the nuclear industry with fuel charges that represented only a fraction of the real fuel cost. 


There was steady government pressure on utilities to adopt nuclear power. But companies were having trouble getting sufficient liability insurance. Insurance companies would provide no more than about $65 million for a single plant, but the potential liability was much greater. According to a 1957 AEC safety study, a serious accident at a large reactor could conceivably kill thousands of people &amp; cause billions of dollars of property damage. Even if the chances of such an accident were extremely small, no utility would be willing to risk bankruptcy by building a nuclear plant without enough insurance. In response, Congress passed the Price-Anderson Act of 1957. It required a plant operating company to buy as much liability insurance as was available, with the government committed to pay for damages above $65m, up to a limit of $560 million only. If a major accident ever did cause billions of dollars in damage, then some victims would be uncompensated. 


At the beginning of the 1960’s, even the most optimistic cost estimates had nuclear electricity being significantly more expensive than electricity from coal. The combination of technological enthusiasm &amp; government pressure was enough to convince some utilities to invest in nuclear power even when they knew they would lose money. GE’s vice president of planning, John McKitterick said in 1970, “If we couldn’t get orders out of the utility industry, with every tick of the clock it became progressively more likely that some competing technology would be developed that would supersede the economic viability of our own. Our people understood this was a game of massive stakes, &amp; that if we didn’t force the utility industry to put those stations on line, we’d end up with nothing”.


Only years later would it become evident how badly the reactor manufacturers had misjudged, or misrepresented the real costs of building nuclear power plants. On average, nuclear plants ordered in the mid to late 1960’s cost twice as much to build as estimated. GE &amp; Westinghouse quickly realised what was happening &amp; stopped offering the turnkey contracts in 1966. But by then they had already agreed to build a dozen nuclear plants for a fixed price. Later unofficial estimates indicate those twelve plants cost both companies about $1 billion in losses.


If nothing else, the nuclear industry’s lessons in the importance of learning have dispelled the technological hubris with which it began the nuclear era. No one in the nuclear industry realised just how much learning this new &amp; complex technology demanded. Blinded by such technological hubris, the industry didn’t think it had much to learn. Time after time, the industry believed that it understood the technology very well, only to be surprised again. One of those surprises had arisen in the steam generator of a PWR.
With the exception of a few nuclear enthusiasts, no one in the utility industry was in a hurry to build atomic power plants. Without the push from the AEC &amp; the Joint Committee, LWR’s would not have been locked in so quickly, &amp; there might have been a real competition from the CANDU heavy-water technology &amp; the gas-cooled reactors from the UK &amp; France. 


That shouldn’t be surprising. In the ideal world of economics, the central authority may be an objective body, making its decisions on the basis of calculations &amp; expert opinions in an effort to settle on the best technology. But in reality, government bodies are subject to all sorts of pressures, both internal &amp; external, that urge them to push a technology in one direction or another.
It starts with the prejudices &amp; motives of the people involved. Just as individual economic players in a market are not totally rational, neither are individuals in government bodies. 


Institutional inertia also often influences decision-making bodies. Once people have resolved to go in a certain direction or have spent a great deal of time &amp; effort on one option, they tend to resist the alternatives. Changes threaten their way of thinking, perhaps even their jobs.  &lt;/blockquote&gt;

All excerpts are from Robert Pool (1997), who had his manuscript viewed by Richard Rhodes amongst other experts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has the Early Nuclear Industry been guided by Excessive Pressures &amp; Bias?</p>
<p>Have Unacceptable Failures of Attitudes Resulted?</p>
<blockquote><p> After the war, the US was left with a tremendous industrial complex devoted to building atomic bombs. But the knowledge &amp; the physical infrastructure developed for the bomb could easily be turned to generating nuclear electricity. So this new technology of nuclear power (which, strictly speaking, did not yet exist) had a tremendous amount of momentum as it headed into the post-war years.</p>
<p>Although after the war many scientists returned to the research they had pursued earlier, plenty of others were hooked on the power of the atom. Given all this, Chauncey Starr says, the attitude among many scientists was, “what do we do now?” The obvious answer was to put the war machine to work developing nuclear power. “I don’t think we thought very deeply about it. Just let’s try it.”<br />
Once it was clear that a chain reaction in uranium was possible, scientists didn’t have to stop &amp; think what this might mean. Decades of speculation &amp; prediction had already created an image of a world with nuclear power. For Leo Szilard &amp; others, it was taken for granted that atomic energy would be the source of unbounded power. Unfortunately, this compelling image had been created from little more than the basic fact that the atomic nucleus held a great deal of power. It did not take into account (because no one knew) what sorts of things might have to be done to release that power. There was no place in the vision for the problems of nuclear waste or the dangers of radioactivity, &amp; so at first, they were not taken as seriously as they deserved.</p>
<p>The early government control of nuclear power created a culture of secrecy that permeated the industry, even after commercial business had taken over all but the military aspects. Too often, the first instinct of both government officials &amp; corporate managers was to hide information, to mislead, or even lie. The result was predictable &#8211; eventually a portion of the public assumed that nuclear officials were hiding something or lying, even when they weren’t. The Manhattan Project left nuclear power with a complex &amp; contradictory psychological legacy.</p>
<p>Looking back on the early days, Alvin Weinberg recalls that even before the end of the war, Enrico Fermi was warning his colleagues that the costs of nuclear power might be higher than people wanted to pay. Fermi said, “it was not clear that the public would accept an energy source that produced this much radioactivity, &amp; that could be subject to diversion of material for bombs.” But few paid any attention. </p>
<p>Years later, David Lillienthal, the first chairman of the AEC, reflected on the motivations of the scientists. They shared a conviction, he said, “that somehow or other the discovery that produced a terrible weapon simply HAD to have an important peaceful use. Everyone, our leaders, laymen, scientists &amp; military men wanted to establish a beneficial use of this great discovery. We were grimly determined to prove that this discovery was not just a weapon.” </p>
<p>Most scientists at the time were generally unconcerned with the relatively minor risks that might be caused by fallout from weapons tests. Willard Libby in a 1955 congressional hearing said: “people have got to learn to live with the facts of life, &amp; part of the facts of life are fallout”.</p>
<p>The Plowshare &amp; nuclear plane programs went on so long as they did because there were essentially no brakes to slow their momentum. The true believers at the AEC &amp; on the Joint Committee had nearly complete discretion in developing atomic energy, &amp; they tended to dismiss negative results as due to lack of effort or insufficient vision. It was not impossible, merely extremely difficult, to build a nuclear-powered aircraft or find a practical peaceful use for atomic bombs, &amp; so the supporters of these projects argued that the proper response to problems was to try harder &amp; spend more money.<br />
Throughout the 1950’s, the AEC, the Joint Committee &amp; the President all pushed for nuclear power. In 1954 Congress passed a revised atomic Energy Act that changed the ground rules for developing nuclear power, &amp; was designed to encourage business to get involved. The AEC would still however own the fuel &amp; simply lease it out to companies operating reactors. This gave the commission great influence over the economics of nuclear power. For many years the AEC would subsidise the nuclear industry with fuel charges that represented only a fraction of the real fuel cost. </p>
<p>There was steady government pressure on utilities to adopt nuclear power. But companies were having trouble getting sufficient liability insurance. Insurance companies would provide no more than about $65 million for a single plant, but the potential liability was much greater. According to a 1957 AEC safety study, a serious accident at a large reactor could conceivably kill thousands of people &amp; cause billions of dollars of property damage. Even if the chances of such an accident were extremely small, no utility would be willing to risk bankruptcy by building a nuclear plant without enough insurance. In response, Congress passed the Price-Anderson Act of 1957. It required a plant operating company to buy as much liability insurance as was available, with the government committed to pay for damages above $65m, up to a limit of $560 million only. If a major accident ever did cause billions of dollars in damage, then some victims would be uncompensated. </p>
<p>At the beginning of the 1960’s, even the most optimistic cost estimates had nuclear electricity being significantly more expensive than electricity from coal. The combination of technological enthusiasm &amp; government pressure was enough to convince some utilities to invest in nuclear power even when they knew they would lose money. GE’s vice president of planning, John McKitterick said in 1970, “If we couldn’t get orders out of the utility industry, with every tick of the clock it became progressively more likely that some competing technology would be developed that would supersede the economic viability of our own. Our people understood this was a game of massive stakes, &amp; that if we didn’t force the utility industry to put those stations on line, we’d end up with nothing”.</p>
<p>Only years later would it become evident how badly the reactor manufacturers had misjudged, or misrepresented the real costs of building nuclear power plants. On average, nuclear plants ordered in the mid to late 1960’s cost twice as much to build as estimated. GE &amp; Westinghouse quickly realised what was happening &amp; stopped offering the turnkey contracts in 1966. But by then they had already agreed to build a dozen nuclear plants for a fixed price. Later unofficial estimates indicate those twelve plants cost both companies about $1 billion in losses.</p>
<p>If nothing else, the nuclear industry’s lessons in the importance of learning have dispelled the technological hubris with which it began the nuclear era. No one in the nuclear industry realised just how much learning this new &amp; complex technology demanded. Blinded by such technological hubris, the industry didn’t think it had much to learn. Time after time, the industry believed that it understood the technology very well, only to be surprised again. One of those surprises had arisen in the steam generator of a PWR.<br />
With the exception of a few nuclear enthusiasts, no one in the utility industry was in a hurry to build atomic power plants. Without the push from the AEC &amp; the Joint Committee, LWR’s would not have been locked in so quickly, &amp; there might have been a real competition from the CANDU heavy-water technology &amp; the gas-cooled reactors from the UK &amp; France. </p>
<p>That shouldn’t be surprising. In the ideal world of economics, the central authority may be an objective body, making its decisions on the basis of calculations &amp; expert opinions in an effort to settle on the best technology. But in reality, government bodies are subject to all sorts of pressures, both internal &amp; external, that urge them to push a technology in one direction or another.<br />
It starts with the prejudices &amp; motives of the people involved. Just as individual economic players in a market are not totally rational, neither are individuals in government bodies. </p>
<p>Institutional inertia also often influences decision-making bodies. Once people have resolved to go in a certain direction or have spent a great deal of time &amp; effort on one option, they tend to resist the alternatives. Changes threaten their way of thinking, perhaps even their jobs.  </p></blockquote>
<p>All excerpts are from Robert Pool (1997), who had his manuscript viewed by Richard Rhodes amongst other experts.</p>
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		<title>By: Machiavelli</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Machiavelli]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2011 05:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dr Jim Falk has already answered Prof Brook’s point 

&lt;blockquote&gt; ‘Professor Lowe demands impossible proof, which cannot come until after the fact. This is not science, nor risk management. He also ignores the fact that we know perfectly well how to recycle nuclear waste – we just need to start doing it on a massive scale.’  Prof B. Brook   2010  &lt;/blockquote&gt; 

Dr Jim Falk writes in Global Fission
&lt;blockquote&gt; Sometimes advocates of nuclear-based programs will argue that the opponents are demanding the impossible: that nuclear power should be proved absolutely safe before it can be acceptable. Such proof is of course impossible. But the charge is not an accurate explanation for people’s opposition to nuclear power. Nuclear technology is distrusted because it is based on critically toxic materials which cannot be rendered safe chemically &amp; which are capable of being transformed into the most devastating weapons; because these must be contained to a degree of precision which seems impractical to any person familiar with the errors, mechanical failures &amp; even corruption, that are a feature of the workplace everywhere. Above all, the technology has been moved from the experimental to the commercial scale in less than 20 years. During this time many new hazards have been identified, &amp; old ones have been found to be much more serious than early confidence suggested. Energy systems seem to be based on critically dangerous materials, still in many ways experimental but incorporated into programs as if they were adequately understood, &amp; not compatible with trust by the community.  Dr Jim Falk  1982   &lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr Jim Falk has already answered Prof Brook’s point </p>
<blockquote><p> ‘Professor Lowe demands impossible proof, which cannot come until after the fact. This is not science, nor risk management. He also ignores the fact that we know perfectly well how to recycle nuclear waste – we just need to start doing it on a massive scale.’  Prof B. Brook   2010  </p></blockquote>
<p>Dr Jim Falk writes in Global Fission</p>
<blockquote><p> Sometimes advocates of nuclear-based programs will argue that the opponents are demanding the impossible: that nuclear power should be proved absolutely safe before it can be acceptable. Such proof is of course impossible. But the charge is not an accurate explanation for people’s opposition to nuclear power. Nuclear technology is distrusted because it is based on critically toxic materials which cannot be rendered safe chemically &amp; which are capable of being transformed into the most devastating weapons; because these must be contained to a degree of precision which seems impractical to any person familiar with the errors, mechanical failures &amp; even corruption, that are a feature of the workplace everywhere. Above all, the technology has been moved from the experimental to the commercial scale in less than 20 years. During this time many new hazards have been identified, &amp; old ones have been found to be much more serious than early confidence suggested. Energy systems seem to be based on critically dangerous materials, still in many ways experimental but incorporated into programs as if they were adequately understood, &amp; not compatible with trust by the community.  Dr Jim Falk  1982   </p></blockquote>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ideal Mission Statement

&lt;blockquote&gt; “The minimum standard for a government to enjoy the goodwill of its people is honesty. No government can consider that it serves its people if it blatantly lies to those people.”  Paul Chambers 2010   &lt;/blockquote&gt; 


Reminder Examples of Unacceptable Concealment

&lt;blockquote&gt; It is clear from public records that are now available that the AEC knew all along that any use of nuclear weapons would create a public health catastrophe. Nevertheless, in the name of national security the Eisenhower Administration veiled all radiation research in secrecy and disinformation. And, in 1955, with the creation of the first nuclear power plant, it extended that veil to cover the civilian sector. For nearly four more decades all information regarding the public health impacts of radiation would be rife with critical flaws. The Atomic Energy Commission and its descendant, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, would hide—literally—mountains of data and obfuscate or distort the information that was released. Employees of both government and civilian industries would be compelled to sign secrecy agreements, violations of which would constitute grounds for prosecution on charges of treason or espionage. Scientists who independently studied the human health impacts of low-level radiation would be vilified, their reputations smeared.     Laurie Garrett  2000    &lt;/blockquote&gt; 

&lt;blockquote&gt; A former US secretary of the Interior during the 1960’s, describes how he learned that AEC officials lied about the cancers induced by the Nevada tests in the course of his unsuccessful legal representation of some of the ‘downwinder’ victims.  &lt;/blockquote&gt; 

&lt;blockquote&gt; As Chairperson of the Australian Atomic Weapons Test Safety Commission, Sir Ernest Titterton regularly assured the Australian people that they were in no danger from the British nuclear tests on their land. As in other countries, the significance of the fallout was never communicated to the public. Dr Hedley Marston (CSIRO) undertook to collect thyroid glands from grazing animals for analysis to determine the extent of radioactive contamination from the British 1956 Operation Buffalo tests in SA. He found heavily contaminated areas 1,500 – 2,000 miles away from the Maralinga test site, even reaching areas of Queensland. When Sir Ernest Titterton was asked to comment on Dr Marston’s findings, he simply reasserted the tests were carried out safely. R. Bertell   &lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt; In late 1945 the US army stated that all deaths due to radiation effects from the H/N atomic bombs had already occurred. They maintained this absurdity for 5 years &amp; no official investigation of the survivors’ health was made, despite press stories of large increases in cancer in the exposed population. In 1950, after countless deaths from exposure had already occurred, the US  government set up the Atomic Bomb Casualty Commission to study the remaining survivors. 
A large excess of cancer among the heavily radiated was reported by the Hiroshima Cancer Registry but not by the ABCC. The HCR showed a 400% increase in non-leukaemia cancer for the highly exposed group, while the ABCC found only 30% increase. The ABCC figures were used for risk assessment. There was a great deal of messing about with choices of control groups in the A-bomb studies in order to make the results tidy &amp; to show there was very little problem with radiation. The US certainly did not want to believe their weapon had caused such long term effects in innocent people. In addition, such effects would make it clearer that no one could really win an atomic war. The problem of the inadequacy of the controls became evident in the 1963 UNSCEAR report, where a higher leukaemia level was visible in that group.   C. Busby UK  &lt;/blockquote&gt; 

&lt;blockquote&gt; Henry Myers, (chief scientific advisor to the US House Committee on Interior &amp; Insular Affairs 1980, with a Ph.D. in nuclear physics) in his role of highlighting nuclear safety issues, readily found people lied about what they had done to make plants safer, let problems fester until it was too late, &amp; used psychological forms of avoidance to convince themselves &amp; the public, that nuclear reactors were safe. Myers encountered human weaknesses far beyond what he had thought likely, or what his education &amp; experience had prepared him for. Based on the subcommittee’s investigations, Myers estimated that as many as 75% of all the reactors in operation or under construction (at least 100) had “serious problems” that should’ve required costly repairs or closure. Myers often found cracks, leaks, faulty welds, false records &amp; human vice in his investigations.     S. Cook 2009   &lt;/blockquote&gt; 

&lt;blockquote&gt; The European Parliament’s Green Party launched a study into nuclear accidents, released in 2007. Countless incidents had been insufficiently documented or not noted at all. Operators at the Shika-1 boiling water reactor lost control of it for about 15 minutes in 1999 but disclosed only a month before the Green Party report was released.    S. Cook 2009  &lt;/blockquote&gt; 

&lt;blockquote&gt; Before he resigned from the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, Peter Bradford said, &quot;The first casualty of nuclear power was the truth&quot;.  He said, &quot;the history of nuclear power is a history of silenced concerns, rigged studies, and suppressed scientists&quot;.  &lt;/blockquote&gt; 

A former Chief Scientist for the UK Ministry of Power, Sir Kelvin Spencer, has said: 
&lt;blockquote&gt; “We must remember that government scientists are in chains. Speaking as a one-time government scientist I well know that ‘reasonably achievable’ has to be interpreted, (so long as one is in government service) as whatever level of contamination is compatible with the economic well-being of the industry responsible for the pollution under scrutiny.”   &lt;/blockquote&gt; 

This government attitude clearly shows how public health is of secondary concern.


Dr S.G. Goss, a senior former member of the research staff at the National Radiological Protection Board, wrote of the culture of that organisation in the ‘New Scientist’ (1977): 
&lt;blockquote&gt; “The Royal Commission on Environmental Protection criticizes the NRPB for bias towards understating risks &amp; for not being seen to be independent of the UKAEA. These faults in the management were known to exist when the NRPB was set up, &amp; if they were not obvious to outsiders interested in radiation protection, it was not for want of trying to make them understand...
My post on the NRPB was concerned with risk estimation &amp;, as expected, it soon became obvious that the management were biased toward underestimating radiation risks. It was also soon clear that the ways of controlling staff used by the UKAEA’s own Health &amp; Safety Branch would be applied in the NRPB.”   &lt;/blockquote&gt; 

&lt;blockquote&gt; “Were we to reduce the maximum permissible exposure by a factor of ten, I seriously doubt that many of our present nuclear power plants would find it feasible to continue in operation.” stated Dr. Morgan.  Furthermore, to admit that standards had been too lax would open a floodgate to compensation claims being made not only by radiation workers but by hundreds of thousands of veterans and downwinders. There were powerful incentives to keep the researchers away from the data. Karl Morgan, as chairman of the International Commission on Radiation Protection, wrote in the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists in 1987 that he thought the current radiation risk had been underestimated by a factor of ten. Morgan had previously supported rapid expansion of the nuclear industry and his assertion caused a great alarm throughout the industry. &lt;/blockquote&gt; 

&lt;blockquote&gt; Dr Mancuso’s funding was cut off and he was ordered not to publish his findings. He was denied further access to the workers’ data. After twelve years and $5.2 million, the Energy Research and Development Administration (formerly the Atomic Energy Commission) removed Mancuso from the study. In 1977 he was ordered to give up his files or have them seized. When he refused to yield the data, ERDA asked the University of Pittsburgh vice chancellor to intervene. Fortunately the university refused. Practically everyone who sided with Mancuso and Stewart were subjected to character assassination or lost their funding.   &lt;/blockquote&gt; 

&lt;blockquote&gt; Dr. John Gofman, director of radiobiological studies at Lawrence Livermore Laboratories was a brilliant nuclear chemist who had discovered a way of separating plutonium from uranium that had provided the Manhattan Project with plutonium for its bombs. In 1969 his findings corroborated with Stewarts’.  He concluded that there was no basis for the AEC’s claim that there was a so-called safe threshold of radiation and that the cancer risk from radiation was roughly twenty times worse than previously thought. This meant that the hazard to future generations in the form of genetic damage had been underestimated even more seriously. His staff and budget were slashed, his work censored and he became known as the enemy within. Gofman resigned from Livermore in 1972, calling Livermore a “scientific whorehouse”.   &lt;/blockquote&gt; 

&lt;blockquote&gt; So it comes to this: we must trust our scientific experts on matters of science, because there isn’t a workable alternative. Because scientists are not (in most cases) licensed, we need to pay attention to who the experts actually are – by asking questions about their credentials, their past &amp; current research, the venues in which they are subjecting their claims to scrutiny, &amp; the sources of financial support they are receiving.    N. Oreskes &amp; E. M. Conway   2010   &lt;/blockquote&gt; 

Simple Lesson from the US Love Canal Tragedy 
&lt;blockquote&gt; What went wrong? What might the residents have done to come closer to the truth, to worry less about extremely unlikely harms, to concentrate more on mitigating whatever hazards there might be, &amp; to avoid the vast disruption &amp; consequent harm of being forced to move?

Their first error was to rely too much &amp; too soon on scientific experts to inform them, which is to say that they first needed to know something about the subject themselves before making use of experts.      Aaron Wildavsky     1995   &lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ideal Mission Statement</p>
<blockquote><p> “The minimum standard for a government to enjoy the goodwill of its people is honesty. No government can consider that it serves its people if it blatantly lies to those people.”  Paul Chambers 2010   </p></blockquote>
<p>Reminder Examples of Unacceptable Concealment</p>
<blockquote><p> It is clear from public records that are now available that the AEC knew all along that any use of nuclear weapons would create a public health catastrophe. Nevertheless, in the name of national security the Eisenhower Administration veiled all radiation research in secrecy and disinformation. And, in 1955, with the creation of the first nuclear power plant, it extended that veil to cover the civilian sector. For nearly four more decades all information regarding the public health impacts of radiation would be rife with critical flaws. The Atomic Energy Commission and its descendant, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, would hide—literally—mountains of data and obfuscate or distort the information that was released. Employees of both government and civilian industries would be compelled to sign secrecy agreements, violations of which would constitute grounds for prosecution on charges of treason or espionage. Scientists who independently studied the human health impacts of low-level radiation would be vilified, their reputations smeared.     Laurie Garrett  2000    </p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p> A former US secretary of the Interior during the 1960’s, describes how he learned that AEC officials lied about the cancers induced by the Nevada tests in the course of his unsuccessful legal representation of some of the ‘downwinder’ victims.  </p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p> As Chairperson of the Australian Atomic Weapons Test Safety Commission, Sir Ernest Titterton regularly assured the Australian people that they were in no danger from the British nuclear tests on their land. As in other countries, the significance of the fallout was never communicated to the public. Dr Hedley Marston (CSIRO) undertook to collect thyroid glands from grazing animals for analysis to determine the extent of radioactive contamination from the British 1956 Operation Buffalo tests in SA. He found heavily contaminated areas 1,500 – 2,000 miles away from the Maralinga test site, even reaching areas of Queensland. When Sir Ernest Titterton was asked to comment on Dr Marston’s findings, he simply reasserted the tests were carried out safely. R. Bertell   </p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p> In late 1945 the US army stated that all deaths due to radiation effects from the H/N atomic bombs had already occurred. They maintained this absurdity for 5 years &amp; no official investigation of the survivors’ health was made, despite press stories of large increases in cancer in the exposed population. In 1950, after countless deaths from exposure had already occurred, the US  government set up the Atomic Bomb Casualty Commission to study the remaining survivors.<br />
A large excess of cancer among the heavily radiated was reported by the Hiroshima Cancer Registry but not by the ABCC. The HCR showed a 400% increase in non-leukaemia cancer for the highly exposed group, while the ABCC found only 30% increase. The ABCC figures were used for risk assessment. There was a great deal of messing about with choices of control groups in the A-bomb studies in order to make the results tidy &amp; to show there was very little problem with radiation. The US certainly did not want to believe their weapon had caused such long term effects in innocent people. In addition, such effects would make it clearer that no one could really win an atomic war. The problem of the inadequacy of the controls became evident in the 1963 UNSCEAR report, where a higher leukaemia level was visible in that group.   C. Busby UK  </p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p> Henry Myers, (chief scientific advisor to the US House Committee on Interior &amp; Insular Affairs 1980, with a Ph.D. in nuclear physics) in his role of highlighting nuclear safety issues, readily found people lied about what they had done to make plants safer, let problems fester until it was too late, &amp; used psychological forms of avoidance to convince themselves &amp; the public, that nuclear reactors were safe. Myers encountered human weaknesses far beyond what he had thought likely, or what his education &amp; experience had prepared him for. Based on the subcommittee’s investigations, Myers estimated that as many as 75% of all the reactors in operation or under construction (at least 100) had “serious problems” that should’ve required costly repairs or closure. Myers often found cracks, leaks, faulty welds, false records &amp; human vice in his investigations.     S. Cook 2009   </p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p> The European Parliament’s Green Party launched a study into nuclear accidents, released in 2007. Countless incidents had been insufficiently documented or not noted at all. Operators at the Shika-1 boiling water reactor lost control of it for about 15 minutes in 1999 but disclosed only a month before the Green Party report was released.    S. Cook 2009  </p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p> Before he resigned from the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, Peter Bradford said, &#8220;The first casualty of nuclear power was the truth&#8221;.  He said, &#8220;the history of nuclear power is a history of silenced concerns, rigged studies, and suppressed scientists&#8221;.  </p></blockquote>
<p>A former Chief Scientist for the UK Ministry of Power, Sir Kelvin Spencer, has said: </p>
<blockquote><p> “We must remember that government scientists are in chains. Speaking as a one-time government scientist I well know that ‘reasonably achievable’ has to be interpreted, (so long as one is in government service) as whatever level of contamination is compatible with the economic well-being of the industry responsible for the pollution under scrutiny.”   </p></blockquote>
<p>This government attitude clearly shows how public health is of secondary concern.</p>
<p>Dr S.G. Goss, a senior former member of the research staff at the National Radiological Protection Board, wrote of the culture of that organisation in the ‘New Scientist’ (1977): </p>
<blockquote><p> “The Royal Commission on Environmental Protection criticizes the NRPB for bias towards understating risks &amp; for not being seen to be independent of the UKAEA. These faults in the management were known to exist when the NRPB was set up, &amp; if they were not obvious to outsiders interested in radiation protection, it was not for want of trying to make them understand&#8230;<br />
My post on the NRPB was concerned with risk estimation &amp;, as expected, it soon became obvious that the management were biased toward underestimating radiation risks. It was also soon clear that the ways of controlling staff used by the UKAEA’s own Health &amp; Safety Branch would be applied in the NRPB.”   </p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p> “Were we to reduce the maximum permissible exposure by a factor of ten, I seriously doubt that many of our present nuclear power plants would find it feasible to continue in operation.” stated Dr. Morgan.  Furthermore, to admit that standards had been too lax would open a floodgate to compensation claims being made not only by radiation workers but by hundreds of thousands of veterans and downwinders. There were powerful incentives to keep the researchers away from the data. Karl Morgan, as chairman of the International Commission on Radiation Protection, wrote in the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists in 1987 that he thought the current radiation risk had been underestimated by a factor of ten. Morgan had previously supported rapid expansion of the nuclear industry and his assertion caused a great alarm throughout the industry. </p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p> Dr Mancuso’s funding was cut off and he was ordered not to publish his findings. He was denied further access to the workers’ data. After twelve years and $5.2 million, the Energy Research and Development Administration (formerly the Atomic Energy Commission) removed Mancuso from the study. In 1977 he was ordered to give up his files or have them seized. When he refused to yield the data, ERDA asked the University of Pittsburgh vice chancellor to intervene. Fortunately the university refused. Practically everyone who sided with Mancuso and Stewart were subjected to character assassination or lost their funding.   </p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p> Dr. John Gofman, director of radiobiological studies at Lawrence Livermore Laboratories was a brilliant nuclear chemist who had discovered a way of separating plutonium from uranium that had provided the Manhattan Project with plutonium for its bombs. In 1969 his findings corroborated with Stewarts’.  He concluded that there was no basis for the AEC’s claim that there was a so-called safe threshold of radiation and that the cancer risk from radiation was roughly twenty times worse than previously thought. This meant that the hazard to future generations in the form of genetic damage had been underestimated even more seriously. His staff and budget were slashed, his work censored and he became known as the enemy within. Gofman resigned from Livermore in 1972, calling Livermore a “scientific whorehouse”.   </p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p> So it comes to this: we must trust our scientific experts on matters of science, because there isn’t a workable alternative. Because scientists are not (in most cases) licensed, we need to pay attention to who the experts actually are – by asking questions about their credentials, their past &amp; current research, the venues in which they are subjecting their claims to scrutiny, &amp; the sources of financial support they are receiving.    N. Oreskes &amp; E. M. Conway   2010   </p></blockquote>
<p>Simple Lesson from the US Love Canal Tragedy </p>
<blockquote><p> What went wrong? What might the residents have done to come closer to the truth, to worry less about extremely unlikely harms, to concentrate more on mitigating whatever hazards there might be, &amp; to avoid the vast disruption &amp; consequent harm of being forced to move?</p>
<p>Their first error was to rely too much &amp; too soon on scientific experts to inform them, which is to say that they first needed to know something about the subject themselves before making use of experts.      Aaron Wildavsky     1995   </p></blockquote>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Machiavelli]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2011 00:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is There a Nuclear Industry Misinformation Conspiracy?   

&lt;blockquote&gt; “So, we’ve got to know that there is a conspiracy out there &amp; the conspiracy is against the people,” rants Dr Helen Caldicott in 1999. Let’s examine this allegation with a bit of logic.     (a)   &lt;/blockquote&gt; 

Author Tom Blees responds:

&lt;blockquote&gt; “There are many thousands of nuclear physicists &amp; engineers who are more than willing, nay eager, to support the use of nuclear power. Few would argue that these people are Strangelovian monsters who care nothing for their children as they push an agenda for poisoning the world for their descendents. Nor would any substantial number of those very smart people have made financial decisions to invest in the nuclear power industry, since it’s been on the skids now for at least a few decades. Conspiracies of this magnitude, involving tens of thousands of scientists, engineers, accountants, technicians &amp; politicians are all the more ludicrous when you consider that all these people would knowingly &amp; maliciously be dooming their own progeny to lives of misery &amp; ultimately death. Yet such absurd charges are tossed about repeatedly, despite the complete lack of rationale for anyone to so clearly work against their own well-being &amp; that of their families.”  (a)  &lt;/blockquote&gt; 

(a)	 ‘Prescription for the Planet’   Chapter 2


Although originally referring to a chemical industry, the following response could also apply to nuclear industry behaviour.


Author M. Robin, asks K. Cook from the Environmental Working Group:

&lt;blockquote&gt; Indeed, there is something I still have trouble understanding: how could people knowingly run the risk of poisoning their customers &amp; the environment &amp; not stop to think that they themselves or their children might be the victims of their negligence? I am not speaking of ethics or morality, abstract concepts foreign to the logic of capitalism, but merely of the survival instinct: was it lacking in the managers of ...........?  
“A company like ............ is a world of its own, (where) the pursuit of profit at any price anesthetizes people devoted to a single purpose: making money.”   &lt;/blockquote&gt;  

Prof K. Stanovich has a comment about ‘smart’ people:

&lt;blockquote&gt; “There is a narrow set of cognitive skills that we track and that we call intelligence. But that’s not the same as intelligent behaviour in the real world,” What the professor argues is that intelligence by itself can’t (always) guarantee rational behaviour. In other words, you can be intelligent without being rational, and you can be a rational thinker without being especially intelligent.    Kurt Kleiner   2009  &lt;/blockquote&gt; 

Tom Blees seems to be ignoring the possibility with his ‘logic’ argument, that there is such a condition in a collective culture, where many like-minded people, possibly originally &amp; genuinely believing in a common goal, can still develop tunnel vision &amp; ignore any evidence against their common interest, with some more fanatical types even becoming very defensive &amp; even hostile to such people with counter evidence that threatens their livelihood. They can be in such a state of denial that they are really ‘dysrational’, making the issue far more serious. They don’t have to be all consciously plotting together to destroy humankind, but they can still be on the wrong path ‘unintentionally’, with the aid of other human failures such as ignorance, prejudice &amp; hostility. There have already been several earlier examples (DDT, CFC’s, HFC’s, PCB’s, PVC, Lead, Mercury, tobacco etc) that were originally defended vigorously, only to be eventually shown to be dangerous enough to be banned or heavily restricted. Meanwhile, during the decades it can take for a complete ban to occur, still more people suffer ill-effects from the suspect substance, due to the persuasiveness of the lobby groups defending those items.

Examples of Unsatisfactory Industry Behaviour

www.independent.co.uk/.../uk/.../ios-investigation-officials-plotted-sellafield-coverup-1224473.html 

Psychological Persuasion &amp; Manipulative Techniques 

Marketing Concepts &amp; Strategy can Reduce Resistance to Nuclear Power Plant Installation
http://etd.lib.ttu.edu/theses/available/etd-07242009-31295002141744/unrestricted/31295002141744.pdf. 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/now-sellafield-admits-to-22-faked-nuclear-safety-checks-1120931.html 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/civil-servants-lived-the-high-life-courtesy-of-nuclear-lobby-789185.html       

&lt;blockquote&gt; Why would scientists dedicated to uncovering the truth about the natural world deliberately misrepresent the work of their own colleagues? Why would they spread accusations with no basis? Why would they refuse to correct their arguments once they had been shown to be incorrect? And why did the press continue to quote them, even as their claims were shown to be false?     N. Oreskes &amp; E. M. Conway   2010    &lt;/blockquote&gt;  


Scientific Ideal             Aaron Wildavsky     1995
&lt;blockquote&gt; “We might add unanimity to the list of missing items; after all, if it is science, it is supposed to be objective, &amp; doesn’t that mean everyone reaches the same right conclusion?”  &lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is There a Nuclear Industry Misinformation Conspiracy?   </p>
<blockquote><p> “So, we’ve got to know that there is a conspiracy out there &amp; the conspiracy is against the people,” rants Dr Helen Caldicott in 1999. Let’s examine this allegation with a bit of logic.     (a)   </p></blockquote>
<p>Author Tom Blees responds:</p>
<blockquote><p> “There are many thousands of nuclear physicists &amp; engineers who are more than willing, nay eager, to support the use of nuclear power. Few would argue that these people are Strangelovian monsters who care nothing for their children as they push an agenda for poisoning the world for their descendents. Nor would any substantial number of those very smart people have made financial decisions to invest in the nuclear power industry, since it’s been on the skids now for at least a few decades. Conspiracies of this magnitude, involving tens of thousands of scientists, engineers, accountants, technicians &amp; politicians are all the more ludicrous when you consider that all these people would knowingly &amp; maliciously be dooming their own progeny to lives of misery &amp; ultimately death. Yet such absurd charges are tossed about repeatedly, despite the complete lack of rationale for anyone to so clearly work against their own well-being &amp; that of their families.”  (a)  </p></blockquote>
<p>(a)	 ‘Prescription for the Planet’   Chapter 2</p>
<p>Although originally referring to a chemical industry, the following response could also apply to nuclear industry behaviour.</p>
<p>Author M. Robin, asks K. Cook from the Environmental Working Group:</p>
<blockquote><p> Indeed, there is something I still have trouble understanding: how could people knowingly run the risk of poisoning their customers &amp; the environment &amp; not stop to think that they themselves or their children might be the victims of their negligence? I am not speaking of ethics or morality, abstract concepts foreign to the logic of capitalism, but merely of the survival instinct: was it lacking in the managers of &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..?<br />
“A company like &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230; is a world of its own, (where) the pursuit of profit at any price anesthetizes people devoted to a single purpose: making money.”   </p></blockquote>
<p>Prof K. Stanovich has a comment about ‘smart’ people:</p>
<blockquote><p> “There is a narrow set of cognitive skills that we track and that we call intelligence. But that’s not the same as intelligent behaviour in the real world,” What the professor argues is that intelligence by itself can’t (always) guarantee rational behaviour. In other words, you can be intelligent without being rational, and you can be a rational thinker without being especially intelligent.    Kurt Kleiner   2009  </p></blockquote>
<p>Tom Blees seems to be ignoring the possibility with his ‘logic’ argument, that there is such a condition in a collective culture, where many like-minded people, possibly originally &amp; genuinely believing in a common goal, can still develop tunnel vision &amp; ignore any evidence against their common interest, with some more fanatical types even becoming very defensive &amp; even hostile to such people with counter evidence that threatens their livelihood. They can be in such a state of denial that they are really ‘dysrational’, making the issue far more serious. They don’t have to be all consciously plotting together to destroy humankind, but they can still be on the wrong path ‘unintentionally’, with the aid of other human failures such as ignorance, prejudice &amp; hostility. There have already been several earlier examples (DDT, CFC’s, HFC’s, PCB’s, PVC, Lead, Mercury, tobacco etc) that were originally defended vigorously, only to be eventually shown to be dangerous enough to be banned or heavily restricted. Meanwhile, during the decades it can take for a complete ban to occur, still more people suffer ill-effects from the suspect substance, due to the persuasiveness of the lobby groups defending those items.</p>
<p>Examples of Unsatisfactory Industry Behaviour</p>
<p><a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/.../uk/.../ios-investigation-officials-plotted-sellafield-coverup-1224473.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.independent.co.uk/&#8230;/uk/&#8230;/ios-investigation-officials-plotted-sellafield-coverup-1224473.html</a> </p>
<p>Psychological Persuasion &amp; Manipulative Techniques </p>
<p>Marketing Concepts &amp; Strategy can Reduce Resistance to Nuclear Power Plant Installation<br />
<a href="http://etd.lib.ttu.edu/theses/available/etd-07242009-31295002141744/unrestricted/31295002141744.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://etd.lib.ttu.edu/theses/available/etd-07242009-31295002141744/unrestricted/31295002141744.pdf</a>. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/now-sellafield-admits-to-22-faked-nuclear-safety-checks-1120931.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.independent.co.uk/news/now-sellafield-admits-to-22-faked-nuclear-safety-checks-1120931.html</a> </p>
<p><a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/civil-servants-lived-the-high-life-courtesy-of-nuclear-lobby-789185.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/civil-servants-lived-the-high-life-courtesy-of-nuclear-lobby-789185.html</a>       </p>
<blockquote><p> Why would scientists dedicated to uncovering the truth about the natural world deliberately misrepresent the work of their own colleagues? Why would they spread accusations with no basis? Why would they refuse to correct their arguments once they had been shown to be incorrect? And why did the press continue to quote them, even as their claims were shown to be false?     N. Oreskes &amp; E. M. Conway   2010    </p></blockquote>
<p>Scientific Ideal             Aaron Wildavsky     1995</p>
<blockquote><p> “We might add unanimity to the list of missing items; after all, if it is science, it is supposed to be objective, &amp; doesn’t that mean everyone reaches the same right conclusion?”  </p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: David B. Benson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David B. Benson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Nov 2010 01:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Machiavelli, on 20 November 2010 at 3:08 PM --- All sources of electricity generation have advantages and disadvantages.  So each region needs to discover the blend which works best for those in that region.  There are a few which are quite satisfied to have electricity only when the wind blows (since it does almost always).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Machiavelli, on 20 November 2010 at 3:08 PM &#8212; All sources of electricity generation have advantages and disadvantages.  So each region needs to discover the blend which works best for those in that region.  There are a few which are quite satisfied to have electricity only when the wind blows (since it does almost always).</p>
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		<title>By: Machiavelli</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Machiavelli]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Nov 2010 05:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Luke Weston, on 17 November 2010 at 6:05 AM

&lt;blockquote&gt; Your comparison to the ridiculous goal of harnessing all the mass-energy content from any matter is plainly ridiculous.   L.W.   &lt;/blockquote&gt; 

In one particular sense, that WAS my point – the continued use of idealised theoretical estimates still being used for uranium potential (when obtained from coal plant waste) could be regarded as ridiculous, &amp; was probably done by A. Gabbard (&amp; others) to impress the public.

&lt;blockquote&gt; Then the plasma rapidly cools, dissipates energy into its surroundings, and it is no longer fusing. L.W.    &lt;/blockquote&gt; 

Yes, I am aware it would cool down, but just that general statement you have given isn’t enough to answer my concerns. I was thinking more of the DURATION of decay heat, &amp; what is being done to minimise it. No doubt, the likely interlocking of all plasma heat generating systems with the magnetic field failure, means that all the heating power for the plasma, will probably be shut down quickly. But as in fission reactor-core decay heat, it would be interesting to know how long it takes for a 100 million degree temperature to decay away, &amp; what effect it has on the surrounding enclosure. The usual operating temperature of a fission reactor is about 600 deg K – a lot lower than the fusion plasma example.

The comparison case of Lower Temperature Fission (decay heat)
&lt;blockquote&gt; “For example, a reactor generating 3,400 MW of thermal energy (about 1,100 MWe) will still be producing 215 MW at 1 second after shutdown, 47.5 MW after 1 hr, &amp; about 0.8 MW 1 year after shutdown.”   (a)     &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Similar figures for fusion reactors are probably not publically available yet since they are still experimental &amp; not established in engineering training courses.

Response to ‘angelofthewest’
&lt;blockquote&gt; “What’s wrong with nuclear energy? It sounds to me like you just have a bit of a dogma against nuclear energy, with nothing of substance to reasonably back up such a position.”  L.W.   &lt;/blockquote&gt; 

That’s a bit rich. If anyone has a “dogma” in accepting anything, it would surely be some of the pro-nuke contributors. Just for a start, there have been some key industry insiders publically confirm the dangers of nuclear power, along with other defects (b-e).

&lt;blockquote&gt; “There are no “infinite” energy resources”    L.W.   &lt;/blockquote&gt; 
&lt;blockquote&gt; “There is enough uranium on Earth to support the energy needs of an advanced civilization on Earth for billions of years, as long as the Sun will support life on Earth – and then there’s plenty of thorium and deuterium too.”      L.W.    &lt;/blockquote&gt; 

Both the above comments appear to contradict each other. The highly touted Fast Breeder Reactors were supposed to provide power indefinitely. Billions of years is close to “infinite”. It is very unlikely humans will be on Earth after that length of time anyway, for other reasons. We are already confronted with several major challenges while not even 7 billion people are present yet.

David B. Benson, on 17 November 2010 at 8:20 AM

Maybe ‘angelofthewest’ is thinking of similar plans put forward for renewable energy (f), where the disadvantages of those ideas are more preferable that the MANY disadvantages of nuclear power.

(a)	Introduction to Nuclear Power    2nd Edition    by  G.F. Hewitt &amp; J.G. Collier
(b)	http://bravenewclimate.com/2010/06/18/21c-nuclear-renaissance/#comment-92269 
(c)	http://bravenewclimate.com/2009/09/19/radiation-facts-fallacies-and-phobias/#comment-95378 
(d)	http://bravenewclimate.com/2010/06/18/21c-nuclear-renaissance/#comment-98112 
(e)	http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/24414/    (Chapters 1-4 at bottom)
(f)	http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=a-path-to-sustainable-energy-by-2030]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luke Weston, on 17 November 2010 at 6:05 AM</p>
<blockquote><p> Your comparison to the ridiculous goal of harnessing all the mass-energy content from any matter is plainly ridiculous.   L.W.   </p></blockquote>
<p>In one particular sense, that WAS my point – the continued use of idealised theoretical estimates still being used for uranium potential (when obtained from coal plant waste) could be regarded as ridiculous, &amp; was probably done by A. Gabbard (&amp; others) to impress the public.</p>
<blockquote><p> Then the plasma rapidly cools, dissipates energy into its surroundings, and it is no longer fusing. L.W.    </p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, I am aware it would cool down, but just that general statement you have given isn’t enough to answer my concerns. I was thinking more of the DURATION of decay heat, &amp; what is being done to minimise it. No doubt, the likely interlocking of all plasma heat generating systems with the magnetic field failure, means that all the heating power for the plasma, will probably be shut down quickly. But as in fission reactor-core decay heat, it would be interesting to know how long it takes for a 100 million degree temperature to decay away, &amp; what effect it has on the surrounding enclosure. The usual operating temperature of a fission reactor is about 600 deg K – a lot lower than the fusion plasma example.</p>
<p>The comparison case of Lower Temperature Fission (decay heat)</p>
<blockquote><p> “For example, a reactor generating 3,400 MW of thermal energy (about 1,100 MWe) will still be producing 215 MW at 1 second after shutdown, 47.5 MW after 1 hr, &amp; about 0.8 MW 1 year after shutdown.”   (a)     </p></blockquote>
<p>Similar figures for fusion reactors are probably not publically available yet since they are still experimental &amp; not established in engineering training courses.</p>
<p>Response to ‘angelofthewest’</p>
<blockquote><p> “What’s wrong with nuclear energy? It sounds to me like you just have a bit of a dogma against nuclear energy, with nothing of substance to reasonably back up such a position.”  L.W.   </p></blockquote>
<p>That’s a bit rich. If anyone has a “dogma” in accepting anything, it would surely be some of the pro-nuke contributors. Just for a start, there have been some key industry insiders publically confirm the dangers of nuclear power, along with other defects (b-e).</p>
<blockquote><p> “There are no “infinite” energy resources”    L.W.   </p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p> “There is enough uranium on Earth to support the energy needs of an advanced civilization on Earth for billions of years, as long as the Sun will support life on Earth – and then there’s plenty of thorium and deuterium too.”      L.W.    </p></blockquote>
<p>Both the above comments appear to contradict each other. The highly touted Fast Breeder Reactors were supposed to provide power indefinitely. Billions of years is close to “infinite”. It is very unlikely humans will be on Earth after that length of time anyway, for other reasons. We are already confronted with several major challenges while not even 7 billion people are present yet.</p>
<p>David B. Benson, on 17 November 2010 at 8:20 AM</p>
<p>Maybe ‘angelofthewest’ is thinking of similar plans put forward for renewable energy (f), where the disadvantages of those ideas are more preferable that the MANY disadvantages of nuclear power.</p>
<p>(a)	Introduction to Nuclear Power    2nd Edition    by  G.F. Hewitt &amp; J.G. Collier<br />
(b)	<a href="http://bravenewclimate.com/2010/06/18/21c-nuclear-renaissance/#comment-92269" rel="nofollow">http://bravenewclimate.com/2010/06/18/21c-nuclear-renaissance/#comment-92269</a><br />
(c)	<a href="http://bravenewclimate.com/2009/09/19/radiation-facts-fallacies-and-phobias/#comment-95378" rel="nofollow">http://bravenewclimate.com/2009/09/19/radiation-facts-fallacies-and-phobias/#comment-95378</a><br />
(d)	<a href="http://bravenewclimate.com/2010/06/18/21c-nuclear-renaissance/#comment-98112" rel="nofollow">http://bravenewclimate.com/2010/06/18/21c-nuclear-renaissance/#comment-98112</a><br />
(e)	<a href="http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/24414/" rel="nofollow">http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/24414/</a>    (Chapters 1-4 at bottom)<br />
(f)	<a href="http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=a-path-to-sustainable-energy-by-2030" rel="nofollow">http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=a-path-to-sustainable-energy-by-2030</a></p>
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		<title>By: David B. Benson</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 22:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[angelofthewest, on 16 November 2010 at 4:59 PM --- Unfortunately wind energy alone does not provide one with rellaible power; wind turbines only generate when the wind blows.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>angelofthewest, on 16 November 2010 at 4:59 PM &#8212; Unfortunately wind energy alone does not provide one with rellaible power; wind turbines only generate when the wind blows.</p>
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		<title>By: Luke Weston</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Luke Weston]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 20:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;This claim sounds exaggerated, when viewed with alternative practical reactor operation basics.

By using just one power plant, we should still be able to assess the above claim (1), if the plants are similar. So if a 1 GW coal plant had a genuine 1 GW rated electrical output for 1 year, then about 8,760,000,000 kWh (electrical) would have been generated for consumers over that period.

If also about 5.2 tons of natural uranium were released as waste from the same coal plant during the year, then this is supposed to contain more (theoretical) energy than that delivered by the coal plant over the same 12 months.

Unfortunately, this theme is used too often to mislead people about energy outputs. To be consistent, we should also be reminded that theoretically, ALL matter is supposed to have varying but significant potential for energy release (E=MC2), so in a similar sense used by A. Gabbard, there is a huge amount of energy being ‘wasted’ with countless simple everyday items being instead used for mundane tasks because no-one has found a way to power their car on such items. Why just limit criticism to idealised figures from coal plant emissions?&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Such statements regarding the actinide content of coal waste containing more available nuclear energy than the coal originally released when burned do assume that the coal ash&#039;s uranium-238 and thorium content is all harnessed for energy, using a fast reactor like the IFR and/or a reactor such as a LFTR capable of efficiently burning the thorium. Such technologies already exist. It&#039;s true that there&#039;s no way you could equal the coal&#039;s chemical energy content if you were inefficiently using only the U-235 content of the uranium in  a LWR.

Your comparison to the ridiculous goal of harnessing all the mass-energy content from any matter is plainly ridiculous.

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;What happens to the hot plasma if the power fails for the magnetic field?&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Then the plasma rapidly cools, dissipates energy into its surroundings, and it is no longer fusing.

I&#039;m not going to waste my time arguing with you - or something copied and pasted from some representative of Greenpeace - when it seems that you, and certainly Greenpeace as well, don&#039;t have even the most basic understanding of how these systems behave.

The physics of fusion in a tokamak is well understood; what is going on today is mainly just engineering... developing the technology for industrial manufacturing of very large superconducting magnets, which is getting better all the time, driven by medicine, research, and of course things like the LHC.

I think those links you posted went some way towards answering your own questions - assuming, of course, that you really want answers and not just to spread FUD. The ITER magnets will consume about 35 MW of power, which is mainly needed to run the cryoplant that keeps them cold. Superconductors don&#039;t dissipate any power, they just need power for the cryogenics plant. ITER will generate 10 MW out for every 1 MW put into the overall system - including plasma heating energy, energy needed for magnet cryogenics, all of it.

angelofthewest:

What&#039;s wrong with nuclear energy? It sounds to me like you just have a bit of a dogma against nuclear energy, with nothing of substance to reasonably back up such a position.

The hydrogen in the sun represents a finite energy resource... the potential energy of the earth-moon tidal system is a finite energy resource. 

There are no &quot;infinite&quot; energy resources.

There is enough uranium on Earth to support the energy needs of an advanced civilization on Earth for billions of years, as long as the Sun will support life on Earth - and then there&#039;s plenty of thorium and deuterium too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;This claim sounds exaggerated, when viewed with alternative practical reactor operation basics.</p>
<p>By using just one power plant, we should still be able to assess the above claim (1), if the plants are similar. So if a 1 GW coal plant had a genuine 1 GW rated electrical output for 1 year, then about 8,760,000,000 kWh (electrical) would have been generated for consumers over that period.</p>
<p>If also about 5.2 tons of natural uranium were released as waste from the same coal plant during the year, then this is supposed to contain more (theoretical) energy than that delivered by the coal plant over the same 12 months.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, this theme is used too often to mislead people about energy outputs. To be consistent, we should also be reminded that theoretically, ALL matter is supposed to have varying but significant potential for energy release (E=MC2), so in a similar sense used by A. Gabbard, there is a huge amount of energy being ‘wasted’ with countless simple everyday items being instead used for mundane tasks because no-one has found a way to power their car on such items. Why just limit criticism to idealised figures from coal plant emissions?&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Such statements regarding the actinide content of coal waste containing more available nuclear energy than the coal originally released when burned do assume that the coal ash&#8217;s uranium-238 and thorium content is all harnessed for energy, using a fast reactor like the IFR and/or a reactor such as a LFTR capable of efficiently burning the thorium. Such technologies already exist. It&#8217;s true that there&#8217;s no way you could equal the coal&#8217;s chemical energy content if you were inefficiently using only the U-235 content of the uranium in  a LWR.</p>
<p>Your comparison to the ridiculous goal of harnessing all the mass-energy content from any matter is plainly ridiculous.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;What happens to the hot plasma if the power fails for the magnetic field?&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Then the plasma rapidly cools, dissipates energy into its surroundings, and it is no longer fusing.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not going to waste my time arguing with you &#8211; or something copied and pasted from some representative of Greenpeace &#8211; when it seems that you, and certainly Greenpeace as well, don&#8217;t have even the most basic understanding of how these systems behave.</p>
<p>The physics of fusion in a tokamak is well understood; what is going on today is mainly just engineering&#8230; developing the technology for industrial manufacturing of very large superconducting magnets, which is getting better all the time, driven by medicine, research, and of course things like the LHC.</p>
<p>I think those links you posted went some way towards answering your own questions &#8211; assuming, of course, that you really want answers and not just to spread FUD. The ITER magnets will consume about 35 MW of power, which is mainly needed to run the cryoplant that keeps them cold. Superconductors don&#8217;t dissipate any power, they just need power for the cryogenics plant. ITER will generate 10 MW out for every 1 MW put into the overall system &#8211; including plasma heating energy, energy needed for magnet cryogenics, all of it.</p>
<p>angelofthewest:</p>
<p>What&#8217;s wrong with nuclear energy? It sounds to me like you just have a bit of a dogma against nuclear energy, with nothing of substance to reasonably back up such a position.</p>
<p>The hydrogen in the sun represents a finite energy resource&#8230; the potential energy of the earth-moon tidal system is a finite energy resource. </p>
<p>There are no &#8220;infinite&#8221; energy resources.</p>
<p>There is enough uranium on Earth to support the energy needs of an advanced civilization on Earth for billions of years, as long as the Sun will support life on Earth &#8211; and then there&#8217;s plenty of thorium and deuterium too.</p>
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		<title>By: Machiavelli</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Machiavelli]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 09:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[General Basic Fusion Links  (added interest)

http://local.ans.org/ne/ANS_041802_JVM.pdf

https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/mragheb/www/NPRE%20402%20ME%20405%20Nuclear%20Power%20Engineering/Magnetic%20Confinement%20Fusion.pdf

http://iter.rma.ac.be/Stufftodownload/Texts/ListerWeisenEPN.pdf

http://www.iter.org/newsline/146/408

http://europe.theoildrum.com/node/2806]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>General Basic Fusion Links  (added interest)</p>
<p><a href="http://local.ans.org/ne/ANS_041802_JVM.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://local.ans.org/ne/ANS_041802_JVM.pdf</a></p>
<p><a href="https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/mragheb/www/NPRE%20402%20ME%20405%20Nuclear%20Power%20Engineering/Magnetic%20Confinement%20Fusion.pdf" rel="nofollow">https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/mragheb/www/NPRE%20402%20ME%20405%20Nuclear%20Power%20Engineering/Magnetic%20Confinement%20Fusion.pdf</a></p>
<p><a href="http://iter.rma.ac.be/Stufftodownload/Texts/ListerWeisenEPN.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://iter.rma.ac.be/Stufftodownload/Texts/ListerWeisenEPN.pdf</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.iter.org/newsline/146/408" rel="nofollow">http://www.iter.org/newsline/146/408</a></p>
<p><a href="http://europe.theoildrum.com/node/2806" rel="nofollow">http://europe.theoildrum.com/node/2806</a></p>
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		<title>By: angelofthewest</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 07:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nuclear is still a limited resource. We can get all our energy needs through simpler, less expensive forms of green energy like wind, wave, solar and geothermal. I would far rather rely on these, which are so much less trouble to build and really are green - because you&#039;d never run out of wind!

Even if it worked, it&#039;s not necessary and I don&#039;t think we should give governments the wrong idea. Essentially nuclear is NOT OK and that&#039;s something we need to remember. Before we get carried away.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nuclear is still a limited resource. We can get all our energy needs through simpler, less expensive forms of green energy like wind, wave, solar and geothermal. I would far rather rely on these, which are so much less trouble to build and really are green &#8211; because you&#8217;d never run out of wind!</p>
<p>Even if it worked, it&#8217;s not necessary and I don&#8217;t think we should give governments the wrong idea. Essentially nuclear is NOT OK and that&#8217;s something we need to remember. Before we get carried away.</p>
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		<title>By: Machiavelli</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Machiavelli]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 02:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fusion Solution        ‘Prescription for the Planet’ by Tom Blees 

&lt;blockquote&gt; “The dream of tapping the enormous power released when hydrogen isotopes fuse together never seems to get any closer. Ever since research into nuclear fusion began fifty years ago, the promise of endless energy has always been &quot;decades away&quot;. Now physicists say the very earliest a power-producing reactor could be built is 2050.”    2000    (a)   &lt;/blockquote&gt; 

Speaking of previous fusion experiments, Rob Edwards adds:

&lt;blockquote&gt;  “No other tokamak has yet produced surplus power”    2000     (b)   &lt;/blockquote&gt; 

&lt;blockquote&gt; “In fact, fusion shares some of the worst characteristics of fission. Both technologies, but especially fusion, are very expensive with highly complex engineering requirements. If built as proposed in Clarington, Ontario, the International Thermonuclear Experimental Reactor (ITER) would create large amounts of radioactive waste that would be harmful for at least 100 years. ITER would also routinely and accidentally release tritium, a radioactive isotope of hydrogen that may cause cancer and birth defects when ingested.”     2000    (c)    &lt;/blockquote&gt;   

If B. Woodman has formed her opinion on similar basic material above, then she has a right to be treated better than to be branded as ‘hysterical’.
I wonder why Tom Blees hasn’t commented on the above tritium risk, &amp; also gives a downplayed 100 year estimate, in chap 2 of his book. 

&lt;blockquote&gt; “No one knows what will happen to the reactor&#039;s structure when it is blasted for years by hundreds of megawatts&#039; worth of neutrons travelling at a fifth of the speed of light.”   2005   (d)   &lt;/blockquote&gt;   

&lt;blockquote&gt; “However, the plasma does slowly leak out of the magnetic field, at a rate that depends on extremely complex turbulent motions in the plasma. Conventional turbulence is hard enough to study - Einstein described it as the toughest problem in classical physics. Things are even worse in plasmas because they are made of charged particles that generate their own magnetic fields as they move. It&#039;s the feedback problem from hell.”    2005    (d)   &lt;/blockquote&gt; 

&lt;blockquote&gt; “Previous deuterium-tritium experiments used only minor quantities of tritium and yet lengthy interruptions between successive experiments were required because the radiation from the tritium decay was so excessively high.”     2009       (e)    &lt;/blockquote&gt; 

&lt;blockquote&gt; “ITER proponents know that even their self-defined goal (a 400 second long deuterium-tritium fusion operation within the relatively small volume of 840 m3) presents a great challenge. One might wonder what they think about the difficulties involved in reaching steady state operation for a full scale fusion power plant.”       2009      (e)   &lt;/blockquote&gt; 


(a)	http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg16822600.200-fusion-jam-tomorrow.html 
(b)	http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg16822600.300-the-heat-is-on.html? 
(c)	http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg16822625.500-fusion-confusion.html? 
(d)	http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg18825250.500-the-great-fusion-experiment.html?full=true 
(e)	http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0911/0911.2628v1.pdf    (Section 5.1,  p 18-19)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fusion Solution        ‘Prescription for the Planet’ by Tom Blees </p>
<blockquote><p> “The dream of tapping the enormous power released when hydrogen isotopes fuse together never seems to get any closer. Ever since research into nuclear fusion began fifty years ago, the promise of endless energy has always been &#8220;decades away&#8221;. Now physicists say the very earliest a power-producing reactor could be built is 2050.”    2000    (a)   </p></blockquote>
<p>Speaking of previous fusion experiments, Rob Edwards adds:</p>
<blockquote><p>  “No other tokamak has yet produced surplus power”    2000     (b)   </p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p> “In fact, fusion shares some of the worst characteristics of fission. Both technologies, but especially fusion, are very expensive with highly complex engineering requirements. If built as proposed in Clarington, Ontario, the International Thermonuclear Experimental Reactor (ITER) would create large amounts of radioactive waste that would be harmful for at least 100 years. ITER would also routinely and accidentally release tritium, a radioactive isotope of hydrogen that may cause cancer and birth defects when ingested.”     2000    (c)    </p></blockquote>
<p>If B. Woodman has formed her opinion on similar basic material above, then she has a right to be treated better than to be branded as ‘hysterical’.<br />
I wonder why Tom Blees hasn’t commented on the above tritium risk, &amp; also gives a downplayed 100 year estimate, in chap 2 of his book. </p>
<blockquote><p> “No one knows what will happen to the reactor&#8217;s structure when it is blasted for years by hundreds of megawatts&#8217; worth of neutrons travelling at a fifth of the speed of light.”   2005   (d)   </p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p> “However, the plasma does slowly leak out of the magnetic field, at a rate that depends on extremely complex turbulent motions in the plasma. Conventional turbulence is hard enough to study &#8211; Einstein described it as the toughest problem in classical physics. Things are even worse in plasmas because they are made of charged particles that generate their own magnetic fields as they move. It&#8217;s the feedback problem from hell.”    2005    (d)   </p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p> “Previous deuterium-tritium experiments used only minor quantities of tritium and yet lengthy interruptions between successive experiments were required because the radiation from the tritium decay was so excessively high.”     2009       (e)    </p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p> “ITER proponents know that even their self-defined goal (a 400 second long deuterium-tritium fusion operation within the relatively small volume of 840 m3) presents a great challenge. One might wonder what they think about the difficulties involved in reaching steady state operation for a full scale fusion power plant.”       2009      (e)   </p></blockquote>
<p>(a)	<a href="http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg16822600.200-fusion-jam-tomorrow.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg16822600.200-fusion-jam-tomorrow.html</a><br />
(b)	<a href="http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg16822600.300-the-heat-is-on.html?" rel="nofollow">http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg16822600.300-the-heat-is-on.html?</a><br />
(c)	<a href="http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg16822625.500-fusion-confusion.html?" rel="nofollow">http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg16822625.500-fusion-confusion.html?</a><br />
(d)	<a href="http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg18825250.500-the-great-fusion-experiment.html?full=true" rel="nofollow">http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg18825250.500-the-great-fusion-experiment.html?full=true</a><br />
(e)	<a href="http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0911/0911.2628v1.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0911/0911.2628v1.pdf</a>    (Section 5.1,  p 18-19)</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Prescription for the Planet    Chap 2    Fusion Power     Tom Blees

&lt;blockquote&gt; “Politics is a big part of ITER. Opposition to the ITER project has been generated most vociferously from the same environmental groups that oppose nuclear fission power. “Pursuing nuclear fusion &amp; the ITER project is madness,” said Bridget Woodman of Greenpeace. “Nuclear fusion has all the problems of nuclear power, including producing nuclear waste &amp; the risks of a nuclear accident.”     T.B.   &lt;/blockquote&gt;

It seems reasonable to assume that B. Woodman is familiar with enough of the fusion basics to be able to justify her response. 

Tom Blees responds to B. Woodman

&lt;blockquote&gt; “Whoa lady! Take a chill pill. I’m sorry, but I have little patience for hysteria when it comes to discussing the serious problems that face us today. While I call myself a serious environmentalist, off-the-wall statements like that are simply out of bounds. This is a typical knee-jerk reaction to anything with the word ‘nuclear’ in it, &amp; is either based on the rankest ignorance or an appalling disingenuousness. “   T.B.   &lt;/blockquote&gt; 

This is just another attempt at unjustified ridicule when no valid counter-claims are made. 

&lt;blockquote&gt; “ridicule is not a legitimate tool of honest skeptics”    Joel M. Kauffman  &lt;/blockquote&gt; 

There is no need to call B. Woodman hysterical when she is more likely concerned about the  known extremes fusion power requires. (see below)

&lt;blockquote&gt; “But for fusion to occur, exceptionally high temperatures are required – greater than 100 million degrees Kelvin.”   

“Heating the plasma requires massive amounts of electricity – typically about 5 million amperes.    
                        
Although vast amounts of power are required to generate the heat &amp; the magnetic fields, the fusion process generates far more.” 

“The latest machine being tested is ITER in France, run by an international collaboration. It should be able to produce about 500 MW, nearly 10x the power needed to heat the plasma to the required temperature for fusion.”      (a)    R.W.     &lt;/blockquote&gt; 


A temperature of 100 million degrees &amp; 5 million ampere current are adequate examples of extreme engineering being stretched to the limits if not beyond them. All practical, realistic projects have a very clearly defined safety margin included, such as the fail-safe concept. What happens to the hot plasma if the power fails for the magnetic field?  If nearly10x the power required for the plasma heating, is achieved as an output – is that supposed to be a big deal? I wouldn’t think so. What about the power required for the magnetic field? No mention is made of that by R.W. Even though we are not given the magnet system voltage, we can see what would be required in a non-superconducting system, where 5 million amperes @ 200v requires the complete output from a 1 GW plant, just to supply the magnetic field. Superconducting equipment will reduce that requirement, but it has to be powered as well. Easier to see now why it can be called madness, when tens of billions of dollars has been spent on fusion research covering 50 years, with no sign of any practical rector yet. With those extreme temperatures &amp; currents, accidents are still more likely, &amp; that example has only a 500 MW output. It doesn’t even make any good engineering or economical sense. The technology required to safely handle 5 million amperes in such a confined area would be very expensive – resembling the same problem of economics with nuclear fission plants all through their history, even today (b).

&lt;blockquote&gt; “Fusion reactors, should they be proven viable as they almost surely will be – eventually, would produce a pittance of nuclear waste with so short a half-life that it would be harmless within 10 – 100 years. The accident risk is likewise overblown, since it would be impossible for a fusion reactor to undergo a runaway chain reaction. It’s not the safety that’s the problem; it’s the time it will take to make the concept commercially viable.”   T.B.   &lt;/blockquote&gt; 

All T.B. has managed to do here is offer reassuring overstatement without directly addressing any of the really hard fusion issues head-on.

See what others think about the engineering hurdles &amp; accident risks being ‘overblown.’

&lt;blockquote&gt; “In the physics area there are numerous problems to be solved in the areas of ignition, burn, impurity and disruption control.”   (c)   &lt;/blockquote&gt; 

&lt;blockquote&gt; “In the engineering area significant development is required in plasma heating, blanket design, magnet design, tritium handling and control, materials development, shielding, and maintenance.”  (c)    &lt;/blockquote&gt; 

&lt;blockquote&gt; “there are also a variety of problems to be solved in the safety area.”   (c)  &lt;/blockquote&gt; 

&lt;blockquote&gt; “Lithium reacts strongly in air, liberating about 3.7 times more energy by weight than liquid sodium.”    (c)   &lt;/blockquote&gt; 

&lt;blockquote&gt; “Calculations based on conceptual designs have shown that in excess of 1 GCi of activity can be produced. Activation products are built up rapidly in the structural material of a fusion reactor and a significant fraction of the equilibrium inventory is present in the reactor after only a few days of operation.    (c)     &lt;/blockquote&gt; 

Standard 1 GW fission power plants can accumulate 10 – 20 billion curies of radioactive inventory.
There is no guarantee that the very significant 1 Gigacurie-plus amount of radioactivity can be contained under all circumstances.

&lt;blockquote&gt; “There are only around 20 kilograms of tritium in the world.”  (d)    &lt;/blockquote&gt; 

&lt;blockquote&gt; “Jan Beranek of Greenpeace claims that, &quot;to sustain a reaction for a year for just one reactor it would need to burn 50 kgs of tritium... at the moment we are able to get one kg for about $30 million (£20 million)&quot;.    (d)   &lt;/blockquote&gt; 

&lt;blockquote&gt; “Dr Michael Dittmar, a physicist at CERN working for the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology thinks this is a comforting folly, a process fraught with problems in physics, mathematics and engineering.”   (d)   &lt;/blockquote&gt; 

&lt;blockquote&gt; He says the vast expenditure on experimental reactors should be halted until that basic problem is resolved.    (d)   &lt;/blockquote&gt;  

&lt;blockquote&gt; &quot;If this doesn&#039;t work we can forget the entire rest of the project,&quot; he says.   (d)   &lt;/blockquote&gt; 

Is this an indication of how well these problems have been solved over 50 years of trying?
Just the above challenges appear too difficult &amp; probably failed to inspire any confidence in B. Woodman with that technology. So why is she being called hysterical when an insider such as Dr Dittmar also has significant doubts about fast breeders &amp; fusion research (e)?


Any half-life is unacceptable for humanity considering how many of these reactors are required &amp; the likely increasing population. At those extreme temperatures, safety certainly WOULD be a problem. How much more time, money &amp; excuses do the researchers need before they concede it is impractical technology? 

We are not interested in the hyped-up claims of pro-nukes when their key previous claims have failed to materialise. They will probably claim they are close to success &amp; lobby politicians even harder for continued funding, despite the bottomless sink-hole they have already created. They are performing the same role as a car salesman trying to sell the public a clunker, with nuclear power being the worst clunker ever devised, but the industry cannot bring itself to admit that even though some key staff have recognised the many faults of nuclear power.


(a)	Bad Ideas?    Chap 9    Is Nuclear Energy an Option?    Robert Winston   2010
(b)	http://climateprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/nuclear-costs-2009.pdf
(c)	http://www.osti.gov/bridge/purl.cover.jsp;jsessionid=A6B97E6187631E1853C20510651D3572?purl=/6876244-lyoVCT/ 
(d)	http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8547273.stm 
(e)	http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0911/0911.2628v1.pdf  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prescription for the Planet    Chap 2    Fusion Power     Tom Blees</p>
<blockquote><p> “Politics is a big part of ITER. Opposition to the ITER project has been generated most vociferously from the same environmental groups that oppose nuclear fission power. “Pursuing nuclear fusion &amp; the ITER project is madness,” said Bridget Woodman of Greenpeace. “Nuclear fusion has all the problems of nuclear power, including producing nuclear waste &amp; the risks of a nuclear accident.”     T.B.   </p></blockquote>
<p>It seems reasonable to assume that B. Woodman is familiar with enough of the fusion basics to be able to justify her response. </p>
<p>Tom Blees responds to B. Woodman</p>
<blockquote><p> “Whoa lady! Take a chill pill. I’m sorry, but I have little patience for hysteria when it comes to discussing the serious problems that face us today. While I call myself a serious environmentalist, off-the-wall statements like that are simply out of bounds. This is a typical knee-jerk reaction to anything with the word ‘nuclear’ in it, &amp; is either based on the rankest ignorance or an appalling disingenuousness. “   T.B.   </p></blockquote>
<p>This is just another attempt at unjustified ridicule when no valid counter-claims are made. </p>
<blockquote><p> “ridicule is not a legitimate tool of honest skeptics”    Joel M. Kauffman  </p></blockquote>
<p>There is no need to call B. Woodman hysterical when she is more likely concerned about the  known extremes fusion power requires. (see below)</p>
<blockquote><p> “But for fusion to occur, exceptionally high temperatures are required – greater than 100 million degrees Kelvin.”   </p>
<p>“Heating the plasma requires massive amounts of electricity – typically about 5 million amperes.    </p>
<p>Although vast amounts of power are required to generate the heat &amp; the magnetic fields, the fusion process generates far more.” </p>
<p>“The latest machine being tested is ITER in France, run by an international collaboration. It should be able to produce about 500 MW, nearly 10x the power needed to heat the plasma to the required temperature for fusion.”      (a)    R.W.     </p></blockquote>
<p>A temperature of 100 million degrees &amp; 5 million ampere current are adequate examples of extreme engineering being stretched to the limits if not beyond them. All practical, realistic projects have a very clearly defined safety margin included, such as the fail-safe concept. What happens to the hot plasma if the power fails for the magnetic field?  If nearly10x the power required for the plasma heating, is achieved as an output – is that supposed to be a big deal? I wouldn’t think so. What about the power required for the magnetic field? No mention is made of that by R.W. Even though we are not given the magnet system voltage, we can see what would be required in a non-superconducting system, where 5 million amperes @ 200v requires the complete output from a 1 GW plant, just to supply the magnetic field. Superconducting equipment will reduce that requirement, but it has to be powered as well. Easier to see now why it can be called madness, when tens of billions of dollars has been spent on fusion research covering 50 years, with no sign of any practical rector yet. With those extreme temperatures &amp; currents, accidents are still more likely, &amp; that example has only a 500 MW output. It doesn’t even make any good engineering or economical sense. The technology required to safely handle 5 million amperes in such a confined area would be very expensive – resembling the same problem of economics with nuclear fission plants all through their history, even today (b).</p>
<blockquote><p> “Fusion reactors, should they be proven viable as they almost surely will be – eventually, would produce a pittance of nuclear waste with so short a half-life that it would be harmless within 10 – 100 years. The accident risk is likewise overblown, since it would be impossible for a fusion reactor to undergo a runaway chain reaction. It’s not the safety that’s the problem; it’s the time it will take to make the concept commercially viable.”   T.B.   </p></blockquote>
<p>All T.B. has managed to do here is offer reassuring overstatement without directly addressing any of the really hard fusion issues head-on.</p>
<p>See what others think about the engineering hurdles &amp; accident risks being ‘overblown.’</p>
<blockquote><p> “In the physics area there are numerous problems to be solved in the areas of ignition, burn, impurity and disruption control.”   (c)   </p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p> “In the engineering area significant development is required in plasma heating, blanket design, magnet design, tritium handling and control, materials development, shielding, and maintenance.”  (c)    </p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p> “there are also a variety of problems to be solved in the safety area.”   (c)  </p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p> “Lithium reacts strongly in air, liberating about 3.7 times more energy by weight than liquid sodium.”    (c)   </p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p> “Calculations based on conceptual designs have shown that in excess of 1 GCi of activity can be produced. Activation products are built up rapidly in the structural material of a fusion reactor and a significant fraction of the equilibrium inventory is present in the reactor after only a few days of operation.    (c)     </p></blockquote>
<p>Standard 1 GW fission power plants can accumulate 10 – 20 billion curies of radioactive inventory.<br />
There is no guarantee that the very significant 1 Gigacurie-plus amount of radioactivity can be contained under all circumstances.</p>
<blockquote><p> “There are only around 20 kilograms of tritium in the world.”  (d)    </p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p> “Jan Beranek of Greenpeace claims that, &#8220;to sustain a reaction for a year for just one reactor it would need to burn 50 kgs of tritium&#8230; at the moment we are able to get one kg for about $30 million (£20 million)&#8221;.    (d)   </p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p> “Dr Michael Dittmar, a physicist at CERN working for the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology thinks this is a comforting folly, a process fraught with problems in physics, mathematics and engineering.”   (d)   </p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p> He says the vast expenditure on experimental reactors should be halted until that basic problem is resolved.    (d)   </p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p> &#8220;If this doesn&#8217;t work we can forget the entire rest of the project,&#8221; he says.   (d)   </p></blockquote>
<p>Is this an indication of how well these problems have been solved over 50 years of trying?<br />
Just the above challenges appear too difficult &amp; probably failed to inspire any confidence in B. Woodman with that technology. So why is she being called hysterical when an insider such as Dr Dittmar also has significant doubts about fast breeders &amp; fusion research (e)?</p>
<p>Any half-life is unacceptable for humanity considering how many of these reactors are required &amp; the likely increasing population. At those extreme temperatures, safety certainly WOULD be a problem. How much more time, money &amp; excuses do the researchers need before they concede it is impractical technology? </p>
<p>We are not interested in the hyped-up claims of pro-nukes when their key previous claims have failed to materialise. They will probably claim they are close to success &amp; lobby politicians even harder for continued funding, despite the bottomless sink-hole they have already created. They are performing the same role as a car salesman trying to sell the public a clunker, with nuclear power being the worst clunker ever devised, but the industry cannot bring itself to admit that even though some key staff have recognised the many faults of nuclear power.</p>
<p>(a)	Bad Ideas?    Chap 9    Is Nuclear Energy an Option?    Robert Winston   2010<br />
(b)	<a href="http://climateprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/nuclear-costs-2009.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://climateprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/nuclear-costs-2009.pdf</a><br />
(c)	<a href="http://www.osti.gov/bridge/purl.cover.jsp;jsessionid=A6B97E6187631E1853C20510651D3572?purl=/6876244-lyoVCT/" rel="nofollow">http://www.osti.gov/bridge/purl.cover.jsp;jsessionid=A6B97E6187631E1853C20510651D3572?purl=/6876244-lyoVCT/</a><br />
(d)	<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8547273.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8547273.stm</a><br />
(e)	<a href="http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0911/0911.2628v1.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0911/0911.2628v1.pdf</a><br />
(see Fusion Illusions Section 5, p 17-24)</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Prescription for the Planet     Chap 2    Tom Blees     (also Alex Gabbard reference)

&lt;blockquote&gt; 
(1)	“Consequently, the energy content of nuclear fuel released in coal combustion is more than that of the coal consumed!”   A.G.     &lt;/blockquote&gt;

This claim sounds exaggerated, when viewed with alternative practical reactor operation basics.

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(2)	“For the year 1982, assuming coal contains uranium and thorium concentrations of 1.3 ppm and 3.2 ppm, respectively, each typical plant released 5.2 tons of uranium (containing 74 pounds of uranium-235) and 12.8 tons of thorium that year.”   A.G.    &lt;/blockquote&gt;  

By using just one power plant, we should still be able to assess the above claim (1), if the plants are similar. So if a 1 GW coal plant had a genuine 1 GW rated electrical output for 1 year, then about 8,760,000,000 kWh (electrical) would have been generated for consumers over that period.

If also about 5.2 tons of natural uranium were released as waste from the same coal plant during the year, then this is supposed to contain more (theoretical) energy than that delivered by the coal plant over the same 12 months. 

Unfortunately, this theme is used too often to mislead people about energy outputs. To be consistent, we should also be reminded that theoretically, ALL matter is supposed to have varying but significant potential for energy release (E=MC2), so in a similar sense used by A. Gabbard, there is a huge amount of energy being ‘wasted’ with countless simple everyday items being instead used for mundane tasks because no-one has found a way to power their car on such items. Why just limit criticism to idealised figures from coal plant emissions? Because it suits A. Gabbard’s purpose in deflecting attention away from nuclear faults. In the real world, practical considerations should have priority &amp; usually do, as no-one has yet managed to power a Jumbo jet on the theoretical energy in apples for example. I do not know either of any demolition experts using chocolate chip cookies to destroy any derelict buildings, so they use more practical explosive energies (a) page 1-3).
In order for 5.2 tons of natural uranium to be of best use in a practical 1 GW - LWR, it would have to be enriched to at least 3%, leaving only about ½ - ¾ ton available after enrichment. Now in reality, about 20 – 30 tons of enriched fuel is needed each year to allow the nuclear plant to continue over the 12 month period. With current LWR engineering practice, (in view of claim (1) above) it is NOT expected to be possible to get ¾ ton of 3-4% enriched uranium to deliver anything near 8.76 billion kWh’s of electrical energy, since about 50-60 tons of enriched uranium dioxide pellets are needed for consistent 12 months of power. Also especially when less than 1% of the uranium fuel’s alleged potential is used before the rods have to be replaced due to fission poisoning. 

Then there are additional efficiency losses:

&lt;blockquote&gt; “This means that a typical nuclear power station producing 1000 MW of electric power would burn about 3.5 kg of U-235 each day. For each unit of electrical power produced, we have to produce 3.5 units of thermal energy, with the remaining 2.5 units being dissipated by the cooling water.”  (b)    &lt;/blockquote&gt; 

Alex Gabbard talks about wastage in coal plants, but hasn’t mentioned the above 2 – 2.5 Gigawatts of thermal wastage into the environment from nuclear plants (together with the large water vapour losses) that must assist global warming forces.  

The 12.8 tons of thorium would be expected to be in a similar position of having an alleged theoretical potential while no really practical, safe, reliable &amp; successful power reactor has yet been devised for continuous civilian use despite India having pursued that research for many years.
(a)	http://muller.lbl.gov/teaching/physics10/PffP_textbook_F08/PffP-01-energy-F08.pdf 
(b)	Introduction to Nuclear Power    2nd Edition    by  G.F. Hewitt &amp; J.G. Collier   Chap 2]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prescription for the Planet     Chap 2    Tom Blees     (also Alex Gabbard reference)</p>
<blockquote><p>
(1)	“Consequently, the energy content of nuclear fuel released in coal combustion is more than that of the coal consumed!”   A.G.     </p></blockquote>
<p>This claim sounds exaggerated, when viewed with alternative practical reactor operation basics.</p>
<blockquote><p>
(2)	“For the year 1982, assuming coal contains uranium and thorium concentrations of 1.3 ppm and 3.2 ppm, respectively, each typical plant released 5.2 tons of uranium (containing 74 pounds of uranium-235) and 12.8 tons of thorium that year.”   A.G.    </p></blockquote>
<p>By using just one power plant, we should still be able to assess the above claim (1), if the plants are similar. So if a 1 GW coal plant had a genuine 1 GW rated electrical output for 1 year, then about 8,760,000,000 kWh (electrical) would have been generated for consumers over that period.</p>
<p>If also about 5.2 tons of natural uranium were released as waste from the same coal plant during the year, then this is supposed to contain more (theoretical) energy than that delivered by the coal plant over the same 12 months. </p>
<p>Unfortunately, this theme is used too often to mislead people about energy outputs. To be consistent, we should also be reminded that theoretically, ALL matter is supposed to have varying but significant potential for energy release (E=MC2), so in a similar sense used by A. Gabbard, there is a huge amount of energy being ‘wasted’ with countless simple everyday items being instead used for mundane tasks because no-one has found a way to power their car on such items. Why just limit criticism to idealised figures from coal plant emissions? Because it suits A. Gabbard’s purpose in deflecting attention away from nuclear faults. In the real world, practical considerations should have priority &amp; usually do, as no-one has yet managed to power a Jumbo jet on the theoretical energy in apples for example. I do not know either of any demolition experts using chocolate chip cookies to destroy any derelict buildings, so they use more practical explosive energies (a) page 1-3).<br />
In order for 5.2 tons of natural uranium to be of best use in a practical 1 GW &#8211; LWR, it would have to be enriched to at least 3%, leaving only about ½ &#8211; ¾ ton available after enrichment. Now in reality, about 20 – 30 tons of enriched fuel is needed each year to allow the nuclear plant to continue over the 12 month period. With current LWR engineering practice, (in view of claim (1) above) it is NOT expected to be possible to get ¾ ton of 3-4% enriched uranium to deliver anything near 8.76 billion kWh’s of electrical energy, since about 50-60 tons of enriched uranium dioxide pellets are needed for consistent 12 months of power. Also especially when less than 1% of the uranium fuel’s alleged potential is used before the rods have to be replaced due to fission poisoning. </p>
<p>Then there are additional efficiency losses:</p>
<blockquote><p> “This means that a typical nuclear power station producing 1000 MW of electric power would burn about 3.5 kg of U-235 each day. For each unit of electrical power produced, we have to produce 3.5 units of thermal energy, with the remaining 2.5 units being dissipated by the cooling water.”  (b)    </p></blockquote>
<p>Alex Gabbard talks about wastage in coal plants, but hasn’t mentioned the above 2 – 2.5 Gigawatts of thermal wastage into the environment from nuclear plants (together with the large water vapour losses) that must assist global warming forces.  </p>
<p>The 12.8 tons of thorium would be expected to be in a similar position of having an alleged theoretical potential while no really practical, safe, reliable &amp; successful power reactor has yet been devised for continuous civilian use despite India having pursued that research for many years.<br />
(a)	<a href="http://muller.lbl.gov/teaching/physics10/PffP_textbook_F08/PffP-01-energy-F08.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://muller.lbl.gov/teaching/physics10/PffP_textbook_F08/PffP-01-energy-F08.pdf</a><br />
(b)	Introduction to Nuclear Power    2nd Edition    by  G.F. Hewitt &amp; J.G. Collier   Chap 2</p>
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